Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)
Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 4:48 pm
Hmm, I think selling residents would be harder than selling the developer. The plaza in the most NIMBY of NIMBY places I know.
and many hotels now offer that stuff, some even have mini convenience stores in the lobbyMidtownCat wrote:taxi wrote:This is a stupid conversation. The Plaza owners could care less if you forgot your toothbrush. Use your finger.
The Plaza is in a retail death spiral and people are worried about where tourists are going to get some mouthwash. It's insane.
I’m not sure changing the plaza fixes the bigger problem. What’s needed is to expand retail outside of the plaza. The Whole Foods store is a great example of this. We should be encouraging retail at 50th and Main so people to the south don’t need to visit the plaza. There should be more retail at 46th and Broadway or 45th and Summit.WoodDraw wrote:Hmm, I think selling residents would be harder than selling the developer. The plaza in the most NIMBY of NIMBY places I know.
I read this twice and I'm still still not sure what it means. I think you keep missing the problem, that the plaza doesn't want more density.flyingember wrote:I’m not sure changing the plaza fixes the bigger problem. What’s needed is to expand retail outside of the plaza. The Whole Foods store is a great example of this. We should be encouraging retail at 50th and Main so people to the south don’t need to visit the plaza. There should be more retail at 46th and Broadway or 45th and Summit.WoodDraw wrote:Hmm, I think selling residents would be harder than selling the developer. The plaza in the most NIMBY of NIMBY places I know.
I’m not saying to do nothing about the plaza but look at this as an urbanism problem. These neighborhood are have too much single use even as they go denser.
It’s yet another example that zoning needs to change to require mixed use and people will start to see their immediate surroundings as being more than a place they don’t want more traffic from while they go grocery shopping by car.
We need to make it so area plans, zoning, overlays and such come with greater neighborhood consensus, the plans have teeth and the city doesn’t give variances to not meet the plan like allowing more parking, less density or such,
Yeah 99% of KC doesn't truly understand pedestrian scale living. Is cringing to hear suburban posters make urban design suggestions, is clear they've never lived it. And many who do move into city bring car culture with them, that's how we end up with a mega QuikTrip in Westport (edit: and drivethru Jimmy Johns downtown). Can understand suburbanites may just want to keep Plaza just as a shopping center but KC has very little full circle pedestrian scale living and The Plaza is one of the best shots at expanding urban living very quickly - and it used to have drugstore/market but can still do better. Is bizarre that bringing up giving up 2 retail spaces on Plaza for neighborhood amenities actually gets resistance or pessimism, wtf.KCPowercat wrote:One of the big benefits from moving to downtown from the plaza is walkable resident amenities (CVS cosentinos, etc). The thought that a pharmacy is below the plaza is laughable...and people against it mostly comes from the driving KC residents who think the 50th and main CVS and the Westport grocery store are close enough.
Gasp, 5th Avenue is now trashy. Michigan Ave has many drugstores as well.KCPowercat wrote:I think 5th avenue is in trouble...I just found 3 Duane Reade pharmacy within the same area of the plaza....and one is right next to the Burberry and LV.
The problem with using Michigan Ave as point of comparison is that it is a part of the River North area, and it is a pleasant walk from the nearby hotels. Also, pedestrians have priority.earthling wrote:Gasp, 5th Avenue is now trashy. Michigan Ave has many drugstores as well.KCPowercat wrote:I think 5th avenue is in trouble...I just found 3 Duane Reade pharmacy within the same area of the plaza....and one is right next to the Burberry and LV.
I don't get it either. The pharmacy demand isn't for tourists...it's for residents....but as a tourist in other cities, a convenient pharmacy is a great amenity....look how many have popped up on the LV stripearthling wrote:Yeah 99% of KC doesn't truly understand pedestrian scale living. Is cringing to hear suburban posters make urban design suggestions, is clear they've never lived it. And many who do move into city bring car culture with them, that's how we end up with a mega QuikTrip in Westport (edit: and drivethru Jimmy Johns downtown). Can understand suburbanites may just want to keep Plaza just as a shopping center but KC has very little full circle pedestrian scale living and The Plaza is one of the best shots at expanding urban living very quickly - and it used to have drugstore/market but can still do better. Is bizarre that bringing up giving up 2 retail spaces on Plaza for neighborhood amenities actually gets resistance or pessimism, wtf.KCPowercat wrote:One of the big benefits from moving to downtown from the plaza is walkable resident amenities (CVS cosentinos, etc). The thought that a pharmacy is below the plaza is laughable...and people against it mostly comes from the driving KC residents who think the 50th and main CVS and the Westport grocery store are close enough.
There's either a CVS or a Walgreens every block on the Vegas strip these days and that has to be some of the highest real estate in America. Granted they have a lottttt more foot traffic than the plaza does, but I don't see why the plaza couldn't support one.KCPowercat wrote:I don't get it either. The pharmacy demand isn't for tourists...it's for residents....but as a tourist in other cities, a convenient pharmacy is a great amenity....look how many have popped up on the LV strip
I think the plaza can be a great high end shopping + office center and fill the surrounding neighborhoods where people live with neighborhood amenities.earthling wrote:Why some discourage it is amazing, we're talking just a couple retail spots out of over 100. Not as a 'savior' but as a key benefit that people looking for true urban living want within walking distance. The Plaza used to have both a drugstore and a market - and at one time dry cleaner, barber shop, video store, etc. Is understandable that those who don't live near it don't get it but to actually discourage it is baffling. If a pro urban site is discouraging this, KCMO as a whole is going to have trouble building up true pedestrian scale living. There isn't much in KCMO, would be easy to adapt Plaza toward it again while still maintaining as a shopping destination.
Amazon is “THE premier retail/shopping district in the city” now. Time for The Plaza to evolve into something new.MidtownCat wrote: Some would like to see it return to being THE premier retail/shopping district in the city and a true regional destination. It was for decades and is neither at this stage.