Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:26 pm

Almost everyone I know has moved on to other priorities. WSP needs a conservancy to properly care for it.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by langosta » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:23 pm

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Rendering from a 2018 presentation on downtown office development. This project as proposed has been pitched by Vantrust for at least 1 year.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by normalthings » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:35 pm

langosta wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:23 pm
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Rendering from a 2018 presentation on downtown office development. This project as proposed has been pitched by Vantrust for at least 1 year.
Maybe they finally got a tenant?

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by TheLastGentleman » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:36 pm

This is the worst case scenario. What a far cry from this drawing from years ago

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by flyingember » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:23 pm

That newer idea is not the worse case scenario. If covers up a parking lot, expands the park and provides new office space with a great view of downtown with no building torn down for parking

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by earthling » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:33 pm

^Being content with a subpar cinderblock just because it isn't worst case scenario is :(.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by smh » Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:01 pm

earthling wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:33 pm
^Being content with a subpar cinderblock just because it isn't worst case scenario is very Kansas City.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by GRID » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:39 pm

That is probably the most prime location in all of urban KCMO right now. It is begging for something mixed use, something that gives people a reason to visit Washington Sq Park. Even if you have to use incentives to make it happen, something incredible has to go there. This looks like something from the 1980's plopped in there. Seriously, that is one hell of a location walkalbe from Crown Center, Crossroads and Downtown across from Union Station, on the streetcar line and in one of very few potentially highly functional urban parks in downtown KC. It deserves something special.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by mister816 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:43 pm

I always thought that this would be a perfect location for a natural history museum and with the success of the Dinosaurs Alive exhibit at union station, that just confirmed what I was thinking. I know that there is one in OP but that's not the same. Tourists will not travel out there for the museum. I think that it would have incredible foot traffic and families would have a field day with that, the aquarium, crown center and legoland all within a short walking distance. I'm beyond disappointed with what they have planned for that lot.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by TheLastGentleman » Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:58 pm

Dismantle prariefire and put it here

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by FangKC » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:34 pm

Just please don't add another amphitheatre space/concert space.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by TrolliKC » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:51 pm

FangKC wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:34 pm
Just please don't add another amphitheatre space/concert space.
LOL - lazy, unimaginative developers

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by mister816 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:12 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:58 pm
Dismantle prariefire and put it here
Just double the size of the museum and it would work.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by flyingember » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:50 am

mister816 wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:12 pm
Just double the size of the museum and it would work.
TheLastGentleman wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:58 pm
Dismantle prariefire and put it here
I found a good example that it's not the size that matters, it's how the space is used.

The time we went Prairiefire had space for ~5 areas in 42k sq ft.
Science City has space for ~35 different areas in 100k sq ft

An area/activity doesn't need to be big, it just needs to be there.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by normalthings » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:51 pm

cardium wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:20 pm
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https://vantrustrealestate.com/property ... uare-park/
Don't know if this has already been posted somewhere else, but from VanTrust's site:
"Washington Square Park is a planned office development located in Kansas City, Missouri. The 5.51-acre site will be home to two office buildings, totaling 390,000 square feet. The west building will have 10 stories and 150,000 rentable square feet. The east building will have 8 stories and 240,000 rentable square feet. The parking ratio for both buildings is 4 cars / 1,000 SF for a total of 2,066 spaces in a structured parking garage. Anticipated incentives include sales tax exemption and property tax abatement. Anticipated groundbreaking is early 2020 with a 24-month design-build schedule with core/shell completion expected during the summer of 2022."
Sidebar now shows the 1 building at 280,000 SF

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by missingkc » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:31 pm

We're looking pretty much due north. This is the western building. Can't visualize where this building is to sit. Is it going to sit in a sea of parking connected to the park and street grid only by drives/sidewalks on causeways? That's sure what it looks like.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by flyingember » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:51 pm

missingkc wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:31 pm
We're looking pretty much due north. This is the western building. Can't visualize where this building is to sit. Is it going to sit in a sea of parking connected to the park and street grid only by drives/sidewalks on causeways? That's sure what it looks like.
The rendering appears to be just to show potential tenants they're working on a downtown building with a view, not the actual building.

If you look at the skyline perspective Walnut is almost due north. There's a single straight line on the left side of the image pointing straight towards Town Pavilion. This makes the far right side Grand.

The cars give us a scale, it's about three spots wide per column. So that's ~25 feet give or take. So the building is approx 225 wide.

The space between walnut to Grand is about 250-275 feet so that sizing makes sense.

So if this is the western building, where does the eastern one go?

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by missingkc » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:06 pm

I was expecting these buildings to front onto the north side of the park. That would have provided a great amenity for the tenants. This looks nothing like that.

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Re: Washington Sq Park between Crown Center/Union Station

Post by earthling » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:12 pm

facepalm

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