KCRag Forum

mean wrote: That's great, I hope they keep digging it. The (possible) problem is that it sounds like people in general tend to gravitate toward whatever the new hotness is and abandon the old hat as soon as there's something new. Will P&L continue to draw suburban folks when a "new-urbanist" "lifestyle center" opens up closer to them with 80% of the same tenants? We'll see.

On a side note, I have a feeling there is zero chance you or your friends will be manhandled for violating the dress code. 

mean wrote: That's great, I hope they keep digging it. The (possible) problem is that it sounds like people in general tend to gravitate toward whatever the new hotness is and abandon the old hat as soon as there's something new. Will P&L continue to draw suburban folks when a "new-urbanist" "lifestyle center" opens up closer to them with 80% of the same tenants? We'll see.

On a side note, I have a feeling there is zero chance you or your friends will be manhandled for violating the dress code. 

rhine wrote: So here's my anecdotal P&L old fart story...

Went there with a friend two Fridays ago after catching the Royals on the big screen at the 810 Zone on the Plaza.There was a big line just to get frisked to get in the west side. We were about 100 people back when some guy walks up and grabs me and my friend out of the line and whisks us past all of the onlooking 20 somethings wondering what kind of juice these guys had, and security. 

Apparently if you are obviously over 30, they give you the A-list treatment.  I didnt think I looked that "old", but I guess you can't forever pass for 20 something when you are closer to 40.    Not a striped shirt between us either. The whole area was rocking that night, art fair just got out, and everywhere was packed and lines to get in. We ended up at the only place without lines at the time, Flying Saucer about the time the storm rolled through. The pretzels are phenomenal fresh out of the oven.

loftguy wrote: OK, this is not first hand, but close.  Last night at a meeting, an acquaintance told me that her friends father was at the P&L last week, with two men he was doing business with.  It was early evening, they had shed the coats and ties and were going to check out the Living Room.

They went through the line and security scanned their drivers licenses with a handheld device, even though they were obviously well past 21.  After they scanned her fathers license the security personnel asked him to step aside for a moment.  KC police officers arrived immediately, put handcuffs on him and he was taken to jail, where his wife had to come downtown to bail him out.  He had a warrant out for him over two unpaid parking tickets.

The lady who told me this is credible and she is certain of her friends honesty.  This floors me.  The dress code bothers me, but P&L security working as an extension of big brother makes me ill.  I thought the scanners were simply a way of quickly and efficiently verifying birthdates and card legitimacy.

Can anyone verify that the scanners are capable of accessing a wants and warrants database?

BTW, a few weeks ago I was in line at P & L and a dreadlocked dude in front of me refused to let security scan his license on "constitutional" grounds and he was refused entry.  He chose to not enter.  I'm ready to join him.

KCTigerFan wrote: Absolutely not true.  The scanners only verify age and to an extent verify that the DL's are legit and not fake.  They are in no way linked to any police or databases. 

loftguy wrote: BTW, a few weeks ago I was in line at P & L and a dreadlocked dude in front of me refused to let security scan his license on "constitutional" grounds and he was refused entry.  He chose to not enter.  I'm ready to join him.

kcmetro wrote: Huh? Either someone is lying for no apparent reason...or someone is out of the loop as to what the scanners are capable of. Which is it?

LenexatoKCMO wrote: Even if it were true - are we suppose to feel sympathy for a guy suffering the public embarrasment of arrest after attempting to abscond from his traffic violations?  Newsflash - if you don't pay your tickets, you may be arrested!  It clearly states this right there on the bottom of the ticket.  

Maitre D wrote: But P&L brownshirt thugs shouldn't have that jurisdiction. 

Maitre D wrote: Really, it's like me doing a citizen's arrest on you for speeding.  Your resonse would be, "Yeah I was speeding but YOU don't have authority"