P+L Tenant Rumors

NDTeve · Post by **NDTeve** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:40 pm

Houston's is certainly expensive enough to fit in the PandL.

Johnny's is local. Is local considered "contrived"?

ColumbusParkian · Post by **ColumbusParkian** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:53 pm

I keep forgetting about Johnnys. I DO love them, have since my KU days!

I'll give it a shot, for sure. I hope they open soon. The date keeps getting pushed back...

KCPowercat · Post by **KCPowercat** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:01 pm

The date does? What was it originally?

Funny how the generic sports bar concept is ok and not contrived to ku fans

ColumbusParkian · Post by **ColumbusParkian** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:12 pm

oh i recognize that it's nothing "special" by any means. It's nostalgia, pure and simple. It'll actually be the first Johnny's I've gone too since i left Lawrence, so it might not do it for me. But i'm excited to at least go in and order a beer.

LenexatoKCMO · Post by **LenexatoKCMO** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:28 pm

ColumbusParkian wrote: oh i recognize that it's nothing "special" by any means. It's nostalgia, pure and simple. It'll actually be the first Johnny's I've gone too since i left Lawrence, so it might not do it for me. But i'm excited to at least go in and order a beer.

The stip mall locations are all pretty generic sports bars and have none of the charm/authenticity of the original gritty roadhouse. Will be interesting to see what they do with this sort of space - probably just 'upscale, contemporary sports bar'.

coreyo · Post by **coreyo** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:54 pm

ColumbusParkian wrote: I keep forgetting about Johnnys. I DO love them, have since my KU days!

I'll give it a shot, for sure. I hope they open soon. The date keeps getting pushed back...

I walk by every so often. They've had piles of insulation lying around inside that place for a while.

trailerkid · Post by **trailerkid** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:27 am

KCPowercat wrote: The date does? What was it originally?

Funny how the generic sports bar concept is ok and not contrived to ku fans

I would hope the P+L Johnny's would be a couple notches above their locations in the JO in terms of design.

The original Johnny's Tavern is not a generic sports bar and has a North Lawrence nightlife scene that is pretty unique.

KCPowercat wrote: So this has went from rumors to wishes? I have never been to houston's but I don't think they command one of the last great p&l locations. Need something more unique.

Such as? An ESPN Zone to fully realize that corner as d-bag central?

P+L needs to offer some places with a broader appeal as the reputation for that area is getting sleazier by the minute in the evenings. It's just a replacement location for Westport as the best place to catch an STD. More Bristol...Less Tengo.

Cordish should've gave away the farm to get Celina Tio's Julia(n) down there.

KCPowercat · Post by **KCPowercat** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:21 am

How to you translate more unique to espnzone. No...unique. Houstons is not unique or even a desired name.

trailerkid · Post by **trailerkid** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:02 pm

KCPowercat wrote: How to you translate more unique to espnzone. No...unique. Houstons is not unique or even a desired name.

ESPN Zone is what was always rumored at the corner of 14th/Grand.

P+L has a lot of unique stuff and very few familiar names. I never said anything about Houston's being unique...I'm more concerned with what will work rather than something that gives you a boner.

KCPowercat · Post by **KCPowercat** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:03 pm

And why do you think houstons would given their recent dive in the market and they don't offer anything of substance downtown...especially after hereford house reopens???

trailerkid · Post by **trailerkid** » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:08 pm

KCPowercat wrote: And why do you think houstons would given their recent dive in the market and they don't offer anything of substance downtown...especially after hereford house reopens???

hereford house and houston's are competing? i don't really see that as the same type of customer. houston's is much gayer than hereford house.

ColumbusParkian · Post by **ColumbusParkian** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:04 am

Houstons likes to have sex with other upscale american restaurants? eww.

trailerkid · Post by **trailerkid** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:38 am

ColumbusParkian wrote: Houstons likes to have sex with other upscale american restaurants? eww.

no.

the plaza is our gay district. for real.

NDTeve · Post by **NDTeve** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:31 am

trailerkid wrote: hereford house and houston's are competing? i don't really see that as the same type of customer. houston's is much gayer than hereford house.

Agreed that these two don't compete. Wish Strouds would've opened in PandL as opposed to SMP. Would that be competition to Peachtree?

KCPowercat · Post by **KCPowercat** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:34 am

I have never been to houstons but I thought their thing was steaks at a cheaper price than say plaza 3?

Never the less, I don't see them as a quality downtown tenant, especially given their faceplant in the market.

PumpkinStalker · Post by **PumpkinStalker** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:01 am

KCPowercat wrote: I have never been to houstons but I thought their thing was steaks at a cheaper price than say plaza 3?

Never the less, I don't see them as a quality downtown tenant, especially given their faceplant in the market.

The food quality and service is very good though. They do what they do well, their menu is very limited but tastey. They aren't really a "steakhouse" but more of just upscale american dining. Besides, you get sides with your entree at Houstons - something you don't at very upscale true to form steakhouses. I think they prefer to quietly blend in the background as a good quality restaurant than be front stage as an attraction in a development anyway. At least, that's the impression I get from the Plaza location.

mudjack · Post by **mudjack** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:16 am

trailerkid wrote: hereford house and houston's are competing? i don't really see that as the same type of customer. houston's is much gayer than hereford house.

Hereford House was kinda gay back when DB was in its prime.

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:23 am

mudjack wrote: Hereford House was kinda gay back when DB was in its prime.

it was a sort of peaceful co-existence. i remember so many times parking in that lot and walking past HH patrons who didn't really seem to care what was going on next door (and you know they knew...).

geeman68 · Post by **geeman68** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:17 pm

DaveKCMO wrote: it was a sort of peaceful co-existence. i remember so many times parking in that lot and walking past HH patrons who didn't really seem to care what was going on next door (and you know they knew...).

Ah, the old DB and the downstairs shenanigans.

Not that I ever was there or anything.

mgsports · Post by **mgsports** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:57 pm

Maybe where UNO'S use to be something you people want could go there.

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