Cordish may sue over non-P&L festival liquor licenses

[dangerboy]

The owner of Kelly's bitches in the Star constantly: "We want DT to succeed but..." he always starts off.  "...they shouldn't be subsidized as our competitors"

Hey dipshit - how much investment in KC have YOU made?   That dumpy bar you own has had about $18/yr in ongoing maintenance the past 30 years.   Cordish isn't getting a free ride DT.  They're paying a ton, and all upfront.

Actually, he and the rest of us have made a gigantic investment.  The P&L is a $322 million project with a $269 million public investment.  The taxpayers are picking 84% of the cost for the P&L. Cordish is only chipping in 16% of the cost.

I want it to succeed, but we have to keep in mind that with the public being the biggest investor in this project we should also have make sure we get what we want for our money.

[Maitre D]

Actually, he and the rest of us have made a gigantic investment.  The P&L is a $322 million project with a $269 million public investment.  The taxpayers are picking 84% of the cost for the P&L. Cordish is only chipping in 16% of the cost.

I want it to succeed, but we have to keep in mind that with the public being the biggest investor in this project we should also have make sure we get what we want for our money.

Ok, good points.  I would agree with that.


Still tho, he himself is paying hardly a dime into the P&L.  And Cordish is paying $50M or whatever.  And in 2001 when this was on the drawing board, most developers would've scoffed at even laying down that $50M.

[Beermo]

who cares about this anyway. it's not my job to make millionaires successful. it's not my job to help the city. the only people i know that even go to the p&l or westport are on this board.

[NDTeve]

I agree full-bore with Cordish.  They've invested massive dollars, as well as sweat-equity, with the promise of being the exclusive outdoor entertainment spot.


The owner of Kelly's bitches in the Star constantly: "We want DT to succeed but..." he always starts off.  "...they shouldn't be subsidized as our competitors"


Hey dipshit - how much investment in KC have YOU made?  That dumpy bar you own has had about $18/yr in ongoing maintenance the past 30 years.  Cordish isn't getting a free ride DT.  They're paying a ton, and all upfront.

GFY.
I know the owner of Kelly's. I assure you he's not a dipshit.

[KC-wildcat]

who cares about this anyway. it's not my job to make millionaires successful. it's not my job to help the city. the only people i know that even go to the p&l or westport are on this board.

brilliant post.

[KC-wildcat]

GFY.
I know the owner of Kelly's. I assure you he's not a dipshit.

Dipshit is a bit harsh, and I admittedly don't know the owner or anything about him/her.  But, the point remains, if he is citing government subsidies for his loss of business, he's just being lazy.  Obviously, P&L is hurting him, and without TIF, P&L wouldn't exist, but that's life.  KCK is losing business because of DTKC.  Plaza probably lost some business when Town Center opened up.  Plaza is losing business becaues of P&L.  And on and on and on.  When a new product, service, or package comes along, you're gonna have to up the ante or close shop.  Bottom line.  DT is now the big hitter and WP had better step up and take it on head to head or rebrand its image.   

People have wanted a revitalized DT for decades.  City Hall decided to make it happen.  Seeing as a big time developer wouldn't take the risk without cost guarantees, the City turned to TIF.  Well, you know what, it wouldn't have had to ever come to this if the Kelly's of the world would have taken the risk themselves and invested in DT years ago.  But, they didn't.  And, now that DT is beginning to thrive and it is clear that they missed the boat, they're pissing and moaning that they're losing out.  Hell yeah you're missing out!  You could have come DT whenever you wanted.  But, you didn't have the vision.  Now, you cry foul?  You can go f' yourself in my opinion.     

[Maitre D]

GFY.
I know the owner of Kelly's. I assure you he's not a dipshit.

He must just play one in print media.

[NDTeve]

He must just play one in print media.

I'm gonna pull out of this one...getting too personal.
I will tell you this MD, if you can't defend your girlfriend to d-bags when they hit on your girlfriend, you might want to limit your personal attacks on people and their well being. Just a suggestion. But, I'm sure this is just part of the "internet tough guy" persona.

[butter_breath]

Last week I cruised by the sprint center at 5 pm and seen a tall blond standing on Grand street holding a long neck. I thought to myself now thats a class act! I'll be glad when they start to roll up with the DUI check points downtown or did Cornish fix that also? I can hear it now "we failed because the cops where always on our asses" I or thought it might have been, "oh we failed because we are nonsmoking and the rest of the city isn't" no wait the city put the screws to the rest of the city on that one also.

[aknowledgeableperson]

GFY.
I know the owner of Kelly's. I assure you he's not a dipshit.

So very true.  Much like anyone else Kelly's are just trying to protect their business, just like Cordish.  I see nothing wrong with that.

If the rules change and Cordish doesn't like the change they can always sell out to someone else.  Who knows, they just might if they get the KS casino.

[KCTigerFan]

Just like Westport always claimed before the P&L?  &&&

Last week I cruised by the sprint center at 5 pm and seen a tall blond standing on Grand street holding a long neck. I thought to myself now thats a class act! I'll be glad when they start to roll up with the DUI check points downtown or did Cornish fix that also? I can hear it now "we failed because the cops where always on our asses" I or thought it might have been, "oh we failed because we are nonsmoking and the rest of the city isn't" no wait the city put the screws to the rest of the city on that one also.

[KC-wildcat]

Last week I cruised by the sprint center at 5 pm and seen a tall blond standing on Grand street holding a long neck. I thought to myself now thats a class act! I'll be glad when they start to roll up with the DUI check points downtown or did Cornish fix that also? I can hear it now "we failed because the cops where always on our asses" I or thought it might have been, "oh we failed because we are nonsmoking and the rest of the city isn't" no wait the city put the screws to the rest of the city on that one also.

The definition of irony:  a guy on a message board dedicated to Downtown Development message board almost hoping for DT's failure.  I mean, no matter where we stand on the issue, it is safe to say as goes P&L, so goes DT.  just think about it. 

[Maitre D]

The owner of Kelly's may be a fine, decent, upstanding human and citizen.  But so what?   He's got a dumpy bar that was popular for years only by default.  Only b/c KC didn't have a real bar district anyway.


He was petrified to clean up the thug environment that festered outside his bar starting circa 2000.   That killed his business way more than P&L did.    And did he contact Cordish about leasing space in the P&L?   He could have you know.   But again:  too petrified.


He wants P&L to fail, make no mistake.   And if it succeeds?   He'll just say it took away his biz.   he'll play it both ways and look for sympathy in the papers so he can get his "bar district" too, to squeeze out any bit of extra cash from the bar market in town.  Pathetic.

[Jess]

There are definitely people, though, who would rather be a regular at a dumpy dive bar than a touristy, clubby type bar built to gather a crowd...just a matter of taste and preference.  Enough to sustain business for the proprietors of the dives?  Time will tell.  People visiting P&L bars to check out what's new doesn't automatically translate into older favorites being abandoned, if they do something people like and enjoy, and cater to their crowd.  I have nothing against hot new bars, per se, and wish them well. But everyone's got a different idea of what's a good time.

[omenapt]

and who is up  above pos saying dipshit is a bit too harsh, and then ends the post telling  the guy to go F ---himself?


get real!

[FangKC]

Cordish, Barnes disagree on liquor license agreement.  Barnes says the city never promised Cordish exclusive privileges.

http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansa ... tory3.html

So now we have Wayne Cauthen saying there is no contract stating that, and Barnes chiming in saying the same thing.  If there is no contract, then too bad, so sad. 

[Maitre D]

and who is up  above pos saying dipshit is a bit too harsh, and then ends the post telling  the guy to go F ---himself?


get real!

I noticed that one too, but since Wildcat's broader points were correct, it slid.

[LenexatoKCMO]

Perhaps its time for the city to start asking Cordish questions about why it is begining to look as if only ~ half the district is actually leased when they have claimed for well over a year that it is almost entirely booked.  Who's not living up to their end of the bargain?

[DaveKCMO]

be wary of lawyers picking fights over clauses and verbal agreements... it's usually the sign of downward pressure, and in this case it most likely is market stress on cordish that prevents them from sealing the deal on every last square foot of space. otherwise, shouldn't they just be ramping up the pace to meet the agreed-upon deadline?

[MidtownCat]

Perhaps its time for the city to start asking Cordish questions about why it is begining to look as if only ~ half the district is actually leased when they have claimed for well over a year that it is almost entirely booked.  Who's not living up to their end of the bargain?

1)  Having some dealings with developers, I would be very surprised if they have tenants procured for the majority of retail space that is sitting vacant currently.  We haven't had a major tenant announcement in what, 6 months?  

2)  I would also be very surprised if Cordish would be threatening lawsuit without some sort of iron clad contractural agreement outlining exclusivity for the festival license.  I somehow not buying this deal that the former Mayor and current city manager knew nothing of this.