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KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:58 am

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:14 pm I'm sure there's a reason for it, but I feel like the beg signs are becoming really dangerous along the street car. You can't get a walk with unless you time it right, so you either walk with a green light and don't walk sign or just wait for ages.

Is there any way to promote better pedestrian safety on main? Other streets aren't like this.

Done so they can prioritize streetcar. If it flips to walk each time have to hold the cross streets green longer so the lights can't flip back to giving streetcar the green faster. It's dangerous and confusing to have one set of lights different tm then the rest of downtown ped signals.

It's a battle fought and lost over and over, I've given up.

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:17 pm Sadly we have such little foot traffic at some main intersections I think it could impact it a bit but probably immaterial. Hrd to argue to give 30 second cross traffic passage every time at 7th and main for example when nobody is ever there.

That said some intersections (10th to 18th and river market) maybe it is time to re examine

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:39 pm I should add that even crossing walking north doesn't trigger the pedestrian lights. So if I walk out of my place in the crossroads and walk north I have to beg button every single light to get down main. That's what I'm saying.

The streetcar itself is nowhere close to me, I'm just trying to walk. But it's so fucking frustrating. Again, most cars that are used to downtown give way. But others just run through.

gfenn11 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:51 pm

WoodDraw wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:39 pm I should add that even crossing walking north doesn't trigger the pedestrian lights. So if I walk out of my place in the crossroads and walk north I have to beg button every single light to get down main. That's what I'm saying.

The streetcar itself is nowhere close to me, I'm just trying to walk. But it's so fucking frustrating. Again, most cars that are used to downtown give way. But others just run through.

That and the frustrating quality that almost all of the pedestrian phases only have a walk sign for ~15 seconds or so when the light is green for 2-3x that length.

dnweava wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:19 pm Not sure if the right thread for this post, but I'm curious if anyone can shed some light on this but this building at 3947 State Line Rd.

I was told by someone it was built as a streetcar maintenance building in 1911. but it appears maybe it was just a electrical substation for the streetcars based on what I'm reading in the case file I found with a google search It has tall windows so I could foresee being able to pull streetcars in the building at some point, if you look at the north wall, you can see they bricked in part of the taller openings.

https://casetext.com/case/substation-k- ... light-co-2


https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0554498 ... 8192?hl=en

Also found a 1940s tax photo of it:
https://cdm16795.contentdm.oclc.org/dig ... 409/rec/10

40th & State Line, E side. One 1500-kw rotary converter. Built after 1912. Owned by Kansas City Electric Light Co. All other substation buildings owned by MSRy [Metropolitan Street Railway, precursor to Kansas City Public Service Company]. Building still exists.

dnweava wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:47 pm Seems pretty absurd they are closing the union station stop for several days for the NFL draft since the streetcar has to go to the stop anyways to turn around.

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:05 am That's all NFL.