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smh wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:55 pm

Metro wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:46 pm The Cocina project is AWFUL. Looks like something you would see at 135th & Nall

100%. I'm willing to sacrifice the church building for progress...but that project is awful.

FangKC wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:23 am What will probably happen is the church will be demolished for another retail building. Then in a few years, some church will buy and tear down a nearby retail building (like Resurrection Church), and the church will be less inspired than that building. Then a few more years will pass by and the retail building will be demolished. The lesson we will have learned is just to wait for another congregation to take over the church.

Jblanco wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:53 am

FangKC wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:23 am What will probably happen is the church will be demolished for another retail building. Then in a few years, some church will buy and tear down a nearby retail building (like Resurrection Church), and the church will be less inspired than that building. Then a few more years will pass by and the retail building will be demolished. The lesson we will have learned is just to wait for another congregation to take over the church.

I agree. It would have been done by now but the $$ for this high profile building is very high, as it should be. May take awhile. The Church of the Resurrection (COR) would be a perfect fit and they have the $$.

smh wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:55 pm

Metro wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:46 pm The Cocina project is AWFUL. Looks like something you would see at 135th & Nall

100%. I'm willing to sacrifice the church building for progress...but that project is awful.

DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 6:04 am That won’t end well. Dillard’s isn’t healthy and hasn’t adapted well to the new retail environment. It’ll be empty again in less than 10 years.

kcjak wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 8:23 am Halls is in even worse shape than Dillard's, and continues to have zero online presence. If they were to close their Crown Center location (which I doubt they'll do since Hallmark traffic is still such a huge driver of traffic and sales) for a Plaza location and figure out online sales then it might work. But one Hallmark subsidiary synergizing with shipping/receiving/storage costs from the parent company while being located in another subsidiary (Crown Center) offers a lot of financial benefits that probably outweigh a move to the Plaza where the managing company doesn't seem to care about subsidies or rent discounts.

FangKC wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 7:08 pm Whatever they do with the retail portion, please design the building so that it can be subdivided if Dillards fails at that location. I still think they need to add residential to the project there.

msmith011 wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:23 pm A grocer and/or an upscale gym like Life Time with apartments above would be a home run. Although this example is an indoor mall, Southdale Center in suburban Minneapolis built a multi-story Life Time "country club" with gym, pool, etc. where a department store once was and it's been a huge home run. Now they're even building a connected LifeTime Living apartment tower. The center was basically on life support for years and now they're building a massive luxury wing. I do think something like this could work for the Plaza.

empires228 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:24 am Someone at corporate contacted me after complaining about Dillard's in a department store group on Facebook. They're still prepping a proposal for a 3-story 180,000 ft2 store on the Nordstrom site, which will come at the cost of the higher-end lines continuing to be offered at the other three stores in the metro. He said KC has been a weak market for Dillard's overall going back to the acquisition of Macy's KC-KS division in 1986 and that the Plaza owners are making it worth their while to make a return to the center.

MidtownCat wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 5:48 am

empires228 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:24 am Someone at corporate contacted me after complaining about Dillard's in a department store group on Facebook. They're still prepping a proposal for a 3-story 180,000 ft2 store on the Nordstrom site, which will come at the cost of the higher-end lines continuing to be offered at the other three stores in the metro. He said KC has been a weak market for Dillard's overall going back to the acquisition of Macy's KC-KS division in 1986 and that the Plaza owners are making it worth their while to make a return to the center.

The fact that we are begging a mediocre, dying big box retailer to occupy the vacant lot tells you everything you need to know about the current state of affairs on the Plaza.