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One of the things holding KC back is the unwillingness to pool resources. In this and many other areas

It's really a shame we won't get something like San Diegos Park. Right field is literally built around an old warehouse. If that was hear it would get torn down for some cookie cutter bullshit that won't last for more than a few decades.

Metro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:09 pm It's really a shame we won't get something like San Diegos Park. Right field is literally built around an old warehouse. If that was hear it would get torn down for some cookie cutter bullshit that won't last for more than a few decades.

Disagree (minus the warehouse) I think Petco is the closest comp for what ours will end up

Metro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:09 pm It's really a shame we won't get something like San Diegos Park. Right field is literally built around an old warehouse. If that was hear it would get torn down for some cookie cutter bullshit that won't last for more than a few decades.

Have you missed the dozens of old renovated buildings here

Saw on Twitter that John Sherman is planning on meeting with the media on Thursday.

KCDowntown

From the Royals news release: "Sherman will take questions on any topics, including the ownership group's exploration for the site of the Royals next ballpark and entertainment district."

KCDowntown wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:49 am Saw on Twitter that John Sherman is planning on meeting with the media on Thursday.

KCDowntown

I hope both of them are able to ask some good questions. /s

You have to wonder if all the pressure in the media from Mayor Q recently about “they’re not saying anything and it’s annoying” is finally forcing Sherman out to speak.

VanTrust move primes KC's East Village for potential sale as Royals downtown ballpark

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... eball.html

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:02 am

Metro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:09 pm It's really a shame we won't get something like San Diegos Park. Right field is literally built around an old warehouse. If that was hear it would get torn down for some cookie cutter bullshit that won't last for more than a few decades.

Have you missed the dozens of old renovated buildings here

Torn down way more than we've renovated. KC loves to tear down old buildings just look at the plaza as one example.

The John Sherman press conference is going much worse for them than expected.

April vote for Sales Tax extension. Sherman mentioned the Chiefs being a part of the vote

$300-$350M from Jackson County 3/8th sales tax
Undisclosed amount from state of MO but the Royals have had discussions with Gov. Parson
$1B from private financing

Mentioned that the EV district would be more vertical. NKC site more horizontal and focused on extending the idea of downtown north of the river. Regardless of site, Royals will play at the K for 4-5 more seasons and a new stadium wouldn't be ready until 2027/2028

Can somebody walk me through the economics of abandoning the Jackson Co. money? Or does this remain a gambit to make sure JaCo voters renew the tax so as to not "lose" the Royals.

smh wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:33 am Can somebody walk me through the economics of abandoning the Jackson Co. money? Or does this remain a gambit to make sure JaCo voters renew the tax so as to not "lose" the Royals.

I mean it's either the riskiest move they could make by alienating KC/Jackson County, or it really was just a ploy all along to change the discussion from "Either stay at the K or move downtown" to "Downtown or NKC, the K is gone." So there's that, but the NKC deal is just the most insane idea ever.

TheSmokinPun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:39 am

smh wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:33 am Can somebody walk me through the economics of abandoning the Jackson Co. money? Or does this remain a gambit to make sure JaCo voters renew the tax so as to not "lose" the Royals.

I mean it's either the riskiest move they could make by alienating KC/Jackson County, or it really was just a ploy all along to change the discussion from "Either stay at the K or move downtown" to "Downtown or NKC, the K is gone." So there's that, but the NKC deal is just the most insane idea ever.

Related, what was the point of today's press conference. Was the tax vote the only piece of "new" information?

smh wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:33 am Can somebody walk me through the economics of abandoning the Jackson Co. money? Or does this remain a gambit to make sure JaCo voters renew the tax so as to not "lose" the Royals.

Common opinion is nkc is only a backup plan if jaxco doesn't come through on the vote

KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:53 am

smh wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:33 am Can somebody walk me through the economics of abandoning the Jackson Co. money? Or does this remain a gambit to make sure JaCo voters renew the tax so as to not "lose" the Royals.

Common opinion is nkc is only a backup plan if jaxco doesn't come through on the vote

These votes always use scare tactics to both get out the vote and get it passed. In the past, it's been threats to go to Kansas. My guess is they don't want to even threaten to move across the state line with the fear that Missouri will just call their bluff. There definitely seems to be a, "Make a threat to move to Kansas and we're done!" vibe. Soooo, the NKC card is the only one they have that doesn't poison the well. It's BS though. Never happen.

Seems correct. They don't have much to stand on at the state level given the chiefs are happy at TSC. Also going to help them get the vote

A Freudian slip that Sherman made was “NKC is just an alternative…but ah also East Village is an alternative too!”

Yeah. We know lol.

Cratedigger wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:16 am April vote for Sales Tax extension. Sherman mentioned the Chiefs being a part of the vote

$300-$350M from Jackson County 3/8th sales tax
Undisclosed amount from state of MO but the Royals have had discussions with Gov. Parson
$1B from private financing

Mentioned that the EV district would be more vertical. NKC site more horizontal and focused on extending the idea of downtown north of the river. Regardless of site, Royals will play at the K for 4-5 more seasons and a new stadium wouldn't be ready until 2027/2028

The more I think about the NKC site, the more I hate it. It just doesn't fit into a greater downtown KC scheme in any way. It's too far away, separated by significant extant industrial properties with no pedestrian access across the Missouri River. If we had something like Minneapolis has like the Stone Arch Bridge and some kind of commercial corridor through the industrial area, it might be doable but none of that exists in KC. (https://www.minneapolisparks.org/parks- ... ch_bridge/)

Furthermore, the River Market, the only really viable part of downtown that has reached the Missouri River (well almost) is opposite the river from forlorn Harlem. Berkeley waterfront is opposite the Ingredion Plant and then a wide area of RR marshalling yards before even reaching the near mile of industrial infrastructure before reaching DT NKC. There's just nothing that seamless between NKC and DTKC. The area is somewhere you traverse in an automobile or at the very least a streetcar. I don't ever see a pedestrian corridor.

I get the strategy in keeping NKC in the plans but I hope that's only a strategy.