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KCPowercat wrote: metro...you appear to be completely ignorant to anything outside of joco or older than 5 years when it comes to this metro area.

I almost hate to say it, since I'm constantly naggin on Metro, but I have to agree.

kcmetro wrote: If it couldn't support it before, why will it be able to support it now?

Umm..because it was an indoor mall that got ran the fuck down?  Sorry to be so harshly blatent, but honestly...we've now got TWO whole malls servicing our metro...there's clearly a reason that every other one failed (Including Bannister).

Your statement makes it sound as if they're planning on building another mall there.  Who's to say that it couldn't simply support a few big box stores, or any other mix & match of retail?

Renderings of the stadium... It looks better than I thought it would.

Overall I like it. The only thing I would have done different is to make both sides of the roof look the same. Just a minor thing that bugs me but it isn't a huge deal. 

SWEET!  Build it already! 

Are those parking structures?

This site looks really small.  Is there a site plan that shows the entire development and land use (parking, retail etc), where will Cerner be?

GRID wrote: This site looks really small.  Is there a site plan that shows the entire development and land use (parking, retail etc), where will Cerner be?

I believe Cerner will be in the part you thought were parking garages but I could be wrong. I think that is the whole plan.

To me it looks like just the soccer stadium. The structures on the one side looks like it might be team offices and locker rooms.

Of course the drawings looks like the seating is bleachers instead of chairs.

I can't wait to have a KS side equivalent of the TSC! Awesome!
(In reference to the sea of parking lots)


I wonder how accurate those renderings are though, if they're purely conceptual or actual working designs.  I doubt they're nowhere near what the finished product will look like..at this point.

I like these renderings.  But, I'm not going to get too excited until I see the final design.

Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but remember the first rendering for the Sprint Center?

I wonder how accurate those renderings are though, if they're purely conceptual or actual working designs.  I doubt they're nowhere near what the finished product will look like..at this point.

The complex in the newly posted drawings looks like it's intended to be the real deal to me.  Imo, these drawings are too restrained to be conceptual.  This was the conceptual, marketing image:

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Based upon the article this image is taken from and the layout of the roads, I believe this marketing image, though similar to the one used for the Bannister site, had been modified to suit the Speedway site.

Aren't these guys turning dirt?

missingkc wrote: Aren't these guys turning dirt?

The scrapers, grader, and dozer were on site last week. I'm not sure whether construction has actually started yet.

KansasCityCraka wrote: I believe Cerner will be in the part you thought were parking garages but I could be wrong. I think that is the whole plan.

I think the Cerner office locations will not be on the Stadium site.  For one thing...not enough space.  They are talking about building a "mini" campus elsewhere....i think just north of the Chatuex (sp?) Avalon.

I do like the shelter over the seats, I wish The K has something like that for the seatings.

Has the impact this development could have on WyCo been discussed in this thread? The Cerner jobs especially. It will bring new college-educated, white-collar blood to a community sorely in need of it. I think I read the jobs could top as many as 5,000? Despite some of the naysayers here, I believe the Village West area has and will continue to impact ALL of KCK. I just hope the jobs come to reality and will give a boost of interest in living in some of the nicer KCK urban neighborhoods.

Office is going just south of Great Wolf Lodge on the south side of State Avenue. Just north of Chateau Avalon.

Stockton wrote: Has the impact this development could have on WyCo been discussed in this thread? The Cerner jobs especially. It will bring new college-educated, white-collar blood to a community sorely in need of it. I think I read the jobs could top as many as 5,000? Despite some of the naysayers here, I believe the Village West area has and will continue to impact ALL of KCK. I just hope the jobs come to reality and will give a boost of interest in living in some of the nicer KCK urban neighborhoods.

I'll bet 90% of the those 5,000 will live outside WyCo.  This will be a boon for the real estate market in Shawnee and Leavenworth County.

dangerboy wrote: I'll bet 90% of the those 5,000 will live outside WyCo.  This will be a boon for the real estate market in Shawnee and Leavenworth County.

etax time

Wyco has been talking about an e-tax for the last few years.  It would allow them to tap into the huge employment base that commutes into the county while providing some much needed property tax relief to residents.  Seriously!

dangerboy wrote: Wyco has been talking about an e-tax for the last few years.  It would allow them to tap into the huge employment base that commutes into the county while providing some much needed property tax relief to residents.  Seriously!

The earnings tax was deleted from the UG's legislative agenda years ago. The reality is it could never gain the necessary approval in Topeka because Johnson County's huge delegation in the state legislature would never support it. It was only pursued before the Speedway and Village West because it was seen as the only way to save the the KC KS municipal government from financial catastrophe. Now with the all the revenue from Village West and anticipated from proposed casino the municipal leaders have abandoned the earnings tax idea.

The fact was JOCO could never allow a KCK earnings tax. But they knew that if something wasn't done to save the KC KS city government...the state and johnson county would pay the price; financially and socially. So they (the JOCO power brokers who came to the aid of then Mayor Carol Marinovich who had after 2 terms as mayor had been trying deperately to save her hometown) pushed through Consolidation against the entire WYCO delegation who fought it tooth and nail every step of the way, especially the corrupt and power-hungry senator Chris Steineigar as well as David Haley and their allies, disbarred lawyers and former wyco power brokers Dave Carson and Ed Powers. Immediately after consolidation, came along Nascar like an angel. The leaders of the newly unified goverment saw the chance they had been waiting for to remake WYCO. Visionary Mayor Carol Marinovich (elected to 2 terms as UG CEO after 2 terms as Mayor of KCK) asked the JOCO state legislative delegation again for thier help and together pushed through STAR bond legislation specifically to try and attempt to save KC KS. The effort was spearheaded by a powerful state senator from Leawood whose name escapes me. They succeeded.

Even if only 10 % of 5,000 new Cerner employees located in KC KS that is 500 well paid people who would look for housing in KC KS which is nothing to sneeze at.

That would only be one part of the prize. The other part is a weekday-daytime population of 5K people to eat at Village West Restaurants and do some lunchtime shopping generating yet more spin-off revenue for the UG.

The next part is once there is a 400k sf office complex it becomes plausible for developers to consider WYCO's section of the 435 corridor as viable area for additional office development.

The UG gains all this and loses nothing.

They are giving up the sales tax revenue windfall that the UG was counting on when the STAR Bonds were paid off early in late 2013, which will be pushed back to the original pay off date of 2021 to fund the stadium. However this will be made up for in the form of property taxes generated by the stadium and office complex (which will both pay full property tax.... the UG planning staff has even sought to pin the developers down to valuations before hand to prevent what happened with NFM and Legends disputing of their property tax valuations)

This is going to be a boon to the UG's coffers and the greater WYCO community.

I also believe the Village West location going to be a boon to The Wizards Franchise. KC KS has a huge hispanic population. The wizards have really failed up to this point to gain a following with the metro area's Hispanic demographic. I think being in KC KS is going to really change that greatly benefiting the viability of the team.