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tat2kc wrote: can you post a couple exerpts from the editorial?
. . . This week the legislature has been called into special session in Topeka by Democratic Governor Kathleen Sebelius (who also craves more spending) to comply with this court order. If the legislators do, they will essentially have handed the power of the purse and the power to tax over to six unelected and unaccountable judges.

Thankfully, some of the Republicans in the state legislature are not inclined to be bullied by the court. One of them is Senator Tim Huelskamp who describes the court decision as a "judicial shakedown of the citizens of Kansas for higher taxes." The court counters that it is simply enforcing a provision of the Kansas Constitution that requires that the state provide "suitable provisions" for financing the schools. . . .

It is ironic that this fight has surfaced in Kansas, because in nearby Kansas City, Missouri, a judge ruled in a case that ended in 1997 that the school system had to spend more than $1 billion in added school expenditures to reduce financing inequities. The result of this deluge of money was further declines in test scores. In that case even the judge himself later admitted he had erred in thinking that more money would improve dismal schools.

Fully complying with the Kansas court ruling would require the legislature to increase the state budget by more than the entire state operating budget in 1972. To raise the money, the legislature will be tempted to spend down the state's $170 million revenue surplus. They could also be forced to triple school property taxes or increase income taxes by 50%. The Flint Hills Institute calculates that this could cost the state up to 20,000 jobs. . . .
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It truly amazes me the outcry from conservatives on the subject of increasing taxes for education.  They can't use the lame excuse that the money is going for a nicer facility to house prisoners or for the elderly who should have planned for retirement better.  It's to be used to educate your own freaking kids.  If you don't think they're worth it then maybe you shouldn't have had them in the first place.  And I love how the Wall Street Journal brings up the KCMO school district.  Little did they know just like most urban school districts from the 1950's through 80's  were severely shortchanged by state governments due to white flight and descrimination.  A good chunk of there state funding shifted to suburban districts.
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although this has nothing to do with a casino....

I do have to disagree with the editorial for a couple reasons:

First, the constitution requires that the state "provide for a suitable education for all children. The legislature itself completed two separate studies which specifcally stated how much that would cost.  They chose to ignore their own studies and not fund education at the correct level. 

Second: The supreme court ruling stated that, by the legislator's own standards the schools were not adequately funded, which is a violation of the constitution.  They were told to provide the money for a suitable education, per the constitutional requirement, and not as a political tool.  The legislation chose not to do that; even in the court testimony, the legislature admitted that the number they chose was NOT based on actual cost to educate children.  The Supreme court did what they were supposed to do: come up with a remedy  to address a violation of the constitution, and they did so using the legislature's own studies. 

A casino will help, but it won't address the problem of school financing: Who is supposed to fix the problem if the legislature ignores their own studies and conclusions and chooses not to fund education at the constitionally required levels? My fear is that the legislature won't do anything, the Supreme Court will close all schools, and I'll be in an unemployment line come mid-august.
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tat2kc, what no one is willing to acknowledge is the fact that school district like the KCK School District have had to make huge cuts because the state refuses to give them more money.

I dont know what the Republican controlled legislature's idea of adequate funding is, but last year the KCK school district cut bus service, summer school, and the students in the KCK schools didn't even have enough text books so that they could study at HOME!!!!!!

My step-sister attends Wyandotte High School, and all I can say is that the legislature is FULL OF SHIT!!
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the legislature knows damn well what an adequate education costs, they have their own study showing it. They ignored their own findings. What was the court to do, but use the only measure of adequate funding, and the source of those numbers was the legislature. 

A casino would help schools tremendously, and it would help wyco. Especially if there were no loss limits or similar bone-headed restrictions.  I don't understand why the state won't let the people of wyco decide for themselves if they want this or not. Its not going to hurt anyone in western Kansas.
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GRID wrote:It will just add the entertainment package out there and be one more thing help turn one of the major entryways into KC from hillybilly country to a more built up environment and the area surrounding the Legends is still extremely hickish.
It's sure doesn't have the suburban sophistication of Eastern Jack.
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trailerkid wrote: It's sure doesn't have the suburban sophistication of Eastern Jack.
Eastern Indep, Lee’s Summit and Blue Springs are urban meccas compared to Edwardsville, Bonner Springs, and Western KCK and yea, east Jax is not exactly the sophistication capital of the city.

I’m just saying, build up I-70 through KCK, right now, it does not feel like you are entering a major metro area out there and if you get off the exits and hang out at the gas stations or fast food places, you might even think you were in rural Arkansas or Missouri.
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GRID wrote: Eastern Indep, Lee’s Summit and Blue Springs are urban meccas compared to Edwardsville, Bonner Springs, and Western KCK and yea, east Jax is not exactly the sophistication capital of the city.

I’m just saying, build up I-70 through KCK, right now, it does not feel like you are entering a major metro area out there and if you get off the exits and hang out at the gas stations or fast food places, you might even think you were in rural Arkansas or Missouri.
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Anyone who is interested in going to a Mall of America style tourist district doesn't care about urban aesthetics and seeing things "built up."
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trailerkid wrote: Anyone who is interested in going to a Mall of America style tourist district doesn't care about urban aesthetics and seeing things "built up."
exactly.

plus, it'd be difficult to find a place to park the F-350 camper.  :)
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trailerkid wrote: Anyone who is interested in going to a Mall of America style tourist district doesn't care about urban aesthetics and seeing things "built up."
lol, very good point.  Of course, I'm all about the "built environment", I just can't stand rural, it's just not me.
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I’m sure after spending two weeks in Denver, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver, the entry back into KC via I-70 in the Dotte might just make me cry.  Welcome back to KC!

Seriously, re-entry is going to be tough.

I’ll just keep saying:

Housing is cheap, housing is cheap, housing is cheap and I’ll eventually get over it as usual.
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GRID wrote: I’m sure after spending two weeks in Denver, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver, the entry back into KC via I-70 in the Dotte might just make me cry.  Welcome back to KC!

Seriously, re-entry is going to be tough.

I’ll just keep saying:

Housing is cheap, housing is cheap, housing is cheap and I’ll eventually get over it as usual.
exactly.  it makes me sort of glad i haven't traveled anywhere.  i'd probably see precisely how lame KC is compared to other cities and jump ship.  :)

i've only been to LA (hate it), Palm Beach/Miami (really hate it), st. louis (love it), and chicago (really love it). 

this semester i am going to search for jobs in KC and STL, but i am also going to look in Portland, Seattle, Denver, NYC, Chicago, etc. 
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chrizow wrote: exactly.  it makes me sort of glad i haven't traveled anywhere.  i'd probably see precisely how lame KC is compared to other cities and jump ship.  :)

i've only been to LA (hate it), Palm Beach/Miami (really hate it), st. louis (love it), and chicago (really love it). 

this semester i am going to search for jobs in KC and STL, but i am also going to look in Portland, Seattle, Denver, NYC, Chicago, etc. 
I know everybody on here hates StL, but I love it.  Sure, I will defend KC any day of the week to some cocky StL dude, but StL feels like a major city regardless of where you are at in the metro.  I personally like that feeling.

After this trip, I can honestly say that I have driven into and spent a fair amount of time in every major city in the United States and everything in between, plus Tijuana, Toronto and Vancouver.

^ That is the best part of living in KC.
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Having said that, KC has the “potentialâ€
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GRID wrote: I know everybody on here hates StL, but I love it.  Sure, I will defend KC any day of the week to some cocky StL dude, but StL feels like a major city regardless of where you are at in the metro.  I personally like that feeling.

After this trip, I can honestly say that I have driven into and spent a fair amount of time in every major city in the United States and everything in between, plus Tijuana, Toronto and Vancouver.

^ That is the best part of living in KC.
i dont think anyone hates STL.  how could you?  it's a cool, beautiful city.  any "hatred" just comes from the overstated "rivalry."

and i dont want to make this into a STL thread, but i dispute your assertion that STL feels like a major city from anywhere in the metro.  try collinsville, fenton, mehlville, etc.  haha.  those places could be in tuscaloosa, AL!  :lol:

i am envious of your road trip though.  your itinerary reminds me of Dave Barry's satirical Road Trip Dad (10am-2pm: "see canada"), since you're basically trying to see the entire Pacific Northwest in a few days!  :)
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chrizow wrote: i dont think anyone hates STL.  how could you?  it's a cool, beautiful city.  any "hatred" just comes from the overstated "rivalry."
To someone who's in tune with the true coastal ethos (NYC, DC, Baltimore, Phiila, Boston + SF, LA, San Diego) StL City is dead and miserable. To someone who's in tune with Scottsdale/Orange County/West County/Jo Co ethos StL City is dead and miserable. StL City (especially everything east of the CWE/Forrest Park area) is probably only really of interest to Arch/convention/sporting tourists and urbanphiles.
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StL City (especially everything east of the CWE/Forrest Park area) is probably only really of interest to Arch/convention/sporting tourists and urbanphiles.

How is that different from any other midwestern city with a metro population of 2.5 - 3 mil?
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Oh yea back to the topic of the thread...

In a win for conservative Republicans, the Senate on Friday rebuffed yet another attempt at expanding casino gambling in the Sunflower State.

Senators voted 22-17 to kill a bill that would have allowed state-owned casinos in Kansas City, Kan., and near Pittsburg.

The gambling bill that eventually was endorsed by Democrats and some moderate Republicans would have allowed the construction of "destination" casinos in Kansas City, Kan., and near Pittsburg. It also would have allowed up to 5,500 slot machines in five dog and horse tracks.


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Let the sucking sounds of Kansans tax dollars to Missouri casino's continue. :D
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Not surprising, the same people who whine about not wanting to raise taxes, and the same people who caused the school budget shortfall in the first place are the same people who refuse to look at any alternatives on funding like gambling revenues.

I hope for two things at this point. First of all I hope that an alternative funding source for schools is found. Secondly, I hope that the UG and it's officials abandon all hope of landing a casino and start focusing on attracting other economic development in Wyandotte county. The large tract of land where the Indian Casino was proposed and that the Sac and Fox tribe owns, would be much better used for housing or retail, rather than sit empty forever waiting on the off chance that the Kansas legislature will become more open minded.
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Will Kansas finally get expanding gaming?

Casino ban could end

TOPEKA — The losing streak for casino gambling in the Kansas Senate may be about to end.
In an informal survey of senators by The Kansas City Star and The Wichita Eagle, 24 say they could vote for a bill to legalize two new casinos in the state. That’s three more votes than needed to pass the bill.
But while 18 senators are leaning strongly toward a “yesâ€
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