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Making it free didn't change their funding level if I remember right, it was made up for with other city funds. Now that has changed is why I mentioned fares may return.GRID wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:26 amBecause the ATA is already so underfunded as it is. Taking a system that is just scraping to get by and making it free is not going to help it.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:17 amI'm not a daily rider but I use it more now that it is free and I don't think I'd say it's fallen in service? I'd never say it was high quality service though. I mean the city pulling it's funding amount is probably going to force it to collect fares again but not sure how making transit free is "nothing good" coming from it? Puts some money back in pockets for those who need it and rely on transit for their jobs?GRID wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:03 am Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like the quality and service of the KCATA bus system has fallen quite a bit since they made it free. I predicted it would happen. Nothing good comes from making a transit system free to use which is why there are pretty much no large high quality, high use transit systems in the world that are free to use.
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KCATA needs to look to a city like Austin for an example of how to run a bus system. I was impressed with that system while working out there and Texas also appears to provide little if any funding much like Missouri.
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Yeah, Austin has suburban transit centers that are much larger and busier than KC's downtown transit center. Similar sized metro and they have twice as many buses as KC and they are probably on the streets more often. And that was before they funded that huge project to add all kinds of LRT, BRT and additional commuter rail. It's all about funding and the KCATA is not getting enough from any level of government.
And now they don't even collect fares. Not that it matters much with a very low ridership system, but might be hard to go back to fare collecting once you have made it free.
But look on the bright side. Indy is even worse than KC. Similar sized city, but much smaller bus system and no streetcar.
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RideKC social media watching Grid's posts
https://twitter.com/RideKCTransit/statu ... 0786644188
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Not sure they care about my posts haha.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:26 am RideKC social media watching Grid's posts
https://twitter.com/RideKCTransit/statu ... 0786644188
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Ha I know, just found it funnyGRID wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:24 amNot sure they care about my posts haha.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:26 am RideKC social media watching Grid's posts
https://twitter.com/RideKCTransit/statu ... 0786644188
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First Gladstone, now Grandview.
KC going backwards when it comes to having regional transit.
KC going backwards when it comes to having regional transit.
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It’d be better off if further cuts were made into the least transit friendly areas with those transit employees and busses being moved to denser areas.
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You need both. Grandview and Gladstone are both working class suburbs. Gladstone is inner ring. Not having basic transit in places like that is really short sighted.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 10:49 am It’d be better off if further cuts were made into the least transit friendly areas with those transit employees and busses being moved to denser areas.
I grew up riding that Route 28 route and it was a very busy route when it was a very frequent service. But after decades of cutting service, I'm sure nobody uses it anymore.
I agree, you need to spend money on dense center city areas, but you are continuing to build a regional culture of people simply not even considering using transit region wide which does effect transit use in the center city as well.
Now KCMO should not be funding such service. But having each city having to come up with money every year is a total fail. Jackson County should have a county wide tax for transit.
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Not KCMO’s problem is the city perspective. They want to invest more in transit but stop subsidizing others. Need county level funding.GRID wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 12:22 pmYou need both. Grandview and Gladstone are both working class suburbs. Gladstone is inner ring. Not having basic transit in places like that is really short sighted.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 10:49 am It’d be better off if further cuts were made into the least transit friendly areas with those transit employees and busses being moved to denser areas.
I grew up riding that Route 28 route and it was a very busy route when it was a very frequent service. But after decades of cutting service, I'm sure nobody uses it anymore.
I agree, you need to spend money on dense center city areas, but you are continuing to build a regional culture of people simply not even considering using transit region wide which does effect transit use in the center city as well.
Now KCMO should not be funding such service. But having each city having to come up with money every year is a total fail. Jackson County should have a county wide tax for transit.
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Yeah go yell at these cuties for being short sighted not much the city can do here
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It blows my mind that it's 2024 and KC has agencies like the KCATA and MARC and KC still can't get any sort of regional funding for transit done. I mean at the VERY LEAST, the largest most urban county should have something in place county wide.
It's just another example of how Jackson County is self destructing. Zero ability to invest in itself or even get MoDot to do what they should. Jackson County infrastructure in general looks like a poor step child compared to ST Louis County or other metro StL Counties. And the only reason for that is poor county leadership. It has none.
It's just another example of how Jackson County is self destructing. Zero ability to invest in itself or even get MoDot to do what they should. Jackson County infrastructure in general looks like a poor step child compared to ST Louis County or other metro StL Counties. And the only reason for that is poor county leadership. It has none.
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We can't even get MoDOT and K-Dot to fund the KC Scout system properly. It will be down for months.
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Yes, multiple counties in both states should be funding the transit system.
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I mean it's not at all hard to believe. We don't have traffic congestion and it's not a priority for any politicianGRID wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 12:29 pm It blows my mind that it's 2024 and KC has agencies like the KCATA and MARC and KC still can't get any sort of regional funding for transit done. I mean at the VERY LEAST, the largest most urban county should have something in place county wide.
It's just another example of how Jackson County is self destructing. Zero ability to invest in itself or even get MoDot to do what they should. Jackson County infrastructure in general looks like a poor step child compared to ST Louis County or other metro StL Counties. And the only reason for that is poor county leadership. It has none.
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Because we keep building mega highways…
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I do have to ask though, why is 29 kept around at this point? It's only slightly faster than 28 anymore.
It's an absolute shame what has happened to transit in this city. Even compared to 2019, what we have now is an absolute disaster. Only place where service is better off is Johnson County, but given how hard service has cratered in this city, it means nothing.
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29 used to be called 28 Express. It was a frequent and pretty quick service to and from downtown. While it was more frequent during rush hours, it ran all day and because it ran right by the stadiums (28 bypassed stadiums), it was a great option for getting to Royals games. Would have to take 47 to get back downtown though (or to the south). I'm sure 47 barely runs now so I would imagine it's not an option now. But back then you also had the Royals Express bus routes. Of course the entire Blue Ridge Blvd corridor is pretty much suburban ghetto now. I'm old I guess.SilentSpades24 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:11 pmI do have to ask though, why is 29 kept around at this point? It's only slightly faster than 28 anymore.
It's an absolute shame what has happened to transit in this city. Even compared to 2019, what we have now is an absolute disaster. Only place where service is better off is Johnson County, but given how hard service has cratered in this city, it means nothing.
After looking at the ride kc website...good lord. 28 and 47 both run hourly now? Hourly bus service is pretty much worthless. How in the world do you do transfers now with hourly bus routes? Bus transit in KC way worse now than I even I thought. Hourly? Really? And last time I drove down blue ridge, they were using short buses. Ridership must be less than 10% of what it was.
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https://ridekc.org/planning/dashboardGRID wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2024 1:03 am29 used to be called 28 Express. It was a frequent and pretty quick service to and from downtown. While it was more frequent during rush hours, it ran all day and because it ran right by the stadiums (28 bypassed stadiums), it was a great option for getting to Royals games. Would have to take 47 to get back downtown though (or to the south). I'm sure 47 barely runs now so I would imagine it's not an option now. But back then you also had the Royals Express bus routes. Of course the entire Blue Ridge Blvd corridor is pretty much suburban ghetto now. I'm old I guess.SilentSpades24 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:11 pmI do have to ask though, why is 29 kept around at this point? It's only slightly faster than 28 anymore.
It's an absolute shame what has happened to transit in this city. Even compared to 2019, what we have now is an absolute disaster. Only place where service is better off is Johnson County, but given how hard service has cratered in this city, it means nothing.
After looking at the ride kc website...good lord. 28 and 47 both run hourly now? Hourly bus service is pretty much worthless. How in the world do you do transfers now with hourly bus routes? Bus transit in KC way worse now than I even I thought. Hourly? Really? And last time I drove down blue ridge, they were using short buses. Ridership must be less than 10% of what it was.
This dashboard provides a good look at ridership. Ridership, even with reduced service, was matching ridership pre-pandemic, FWIW. (Granted, a big chunk is likely our homeless population).
But yeah, service is in the toilet at this point, and there's no motivation to do anything to make it better. The RideKC Next redesign was put in the trash can and removed entirely from the website, the push for regional funding is dead. Service is becoming even more fragmented. Sad state of affairs and an absolute failure on all fronts.