This isn't what I said. I said built just like the EC is proposed. The royals isn't a purpose built stadium? Oh no!DColeKC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:58 pmWe will never agree on this and it's certainly water under the bridge, but comparing people's willingness to walk to the first ever NWSL game held at a purpose built stadium for women soccer isn't a great comparison. It wasn't just about the distance, which was a major barrier but it was about the fact that East Village would have been it's own, new area. Not an addition to Crossroads or PNL but a brand new "Village" that would have things built to contain and retain guests, ideally keeping them at the village. It would have been a disaster.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:09 pm I'll go to my grave that the EV location could have been built out just like EC is proposed and it would have fed the P&L. I've seen people walk a mile to get to a KC Current NWSL game, you can't tell me they wouldn't walk to EV to/from a game. It's water under the bridge at this point.
Someday when we finally release the EV land and let someone build there, it may help prove my opinion.
The east crossroads location isn't just better simply due to proximity but also in design. It won't be designed as it's own isolated area, but built to try and fit in day one to it's surroundings while doing the least amount of damage to existing businesses downtown.
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Fair enough.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:51 pmThis isn't what I said. I said built just like the EC is proposed. The royals isn't a purpose built stadium? Oh no!DColeKC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:58 pmWe will never agree on this and it's certainly water under the bridge, but comparing people's willingness to walk to the first ever NWSL game held at a purpose built stadium for women soccer isn't a great comparison. It wasn't just about the distance, which was a major barrier but it was about the fact that East Village would have been it's own, new area. Not an addition to Crossroads or PNL but a brand new "Village" that would have things built to contain and retain guests, ideally keeping them at the village. It would have been a disaster.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:09 pm I'll go to my grave that the EV location could have been built out just like EC is proposed and it would have fed the P&L. I've seen people walk a mile to get to a KC Current NWSL game, you can't tell me they wouldn't walk to EV to/from a game. It's water under the bridge at this point.
Someday when we finally release the EV land and let someone build there, it may help prove my opinion.
The east crossroads location isn't just better simply due to proximity but also in design. It won't be designed as it's own isolated area, but built to try and fit in day one to it's surroundings while doing the least amount of damage to existing businesses downtown.
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That’s not what the Royals proposed for EV though. The renderings released back then (EV vs NKC) were hotel, office and retail spaces if I remember right. Not a bar district to compete with PnL.
The Current stadium is also Exhibit A of “its own new area” secluded on the riverfront. 11k people found a way without sufficient parking to get to the game. No reason to think an extra block of walking would have prevented them from walking from PnL to EV and back.
The Current stadium is also Exhibit A of “its own new area” secluded on the riverfront. 11k people found a way without sufficient parking to get to the game. No reason to think an extra block of walking would have prevented them from walking from PnL to EV and back.
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Current stadium is not its own new area. It's part of a huge master development that's been in progress for years with Berkley Riverfront with so much more to come.droopy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:07 pm That’s not what the Royals proposed for EV though. The renderings released back then (EV vs NKC) were hotel, office and retail spaces if I remember right. Not a bar district to compete with PnL.
The Current stadium is also Exhibit A of “its own new area” secluded on the riverfront. 11k people found a way without sufficient parking to get to the game. No reason to think an extra block of walking would have prevented them from walking from PnL to EV and back.
As for what was proposed at EV, it's not all about how the renderings look. It's about how it was planned to be operated.
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We know it’s several swinging dicks.DColeKC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:45 pmThat's only part of the story. Of course the Mayor, City Manager, Cordish, Downtown Council and others wanted it in East Crossroads but there were enough complexities with East Village that made it an easy decision for the Royals. It's not as simple as some big swinging dick wanted it somewhere else, therefore it's going somewhere else.grovester wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:34 pmTotally bogus.DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:39 pm How the hell did we get this far down the line -- including another round of demolition and displacement in EV itself -- before EV was "suddenly" ruled out? The feds don't control land use and there are lots of federal facilities next to more dangerous things. That also doesn't bode well for the marketing of EV alternatives. Will they allow towers? Are any of the ULI concepts allowable, for example?
Someone wanted it in EC and made it happen.
Everything else is cover.
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I don’t think there are 6 square blocks of open contiguous land in the north loop. Are you counting the interstate? Getting that closed down is such a major jump up you can’t count that as empty land.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:08 pmSix square blocks. More than East Crossroads, and that's what makes me mad. It was dismissed for being "too small" and then they chose something smaller.
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Don't act like the crossroads community association hasn't swung a bit of dick too. We all know this is how the bread is made.DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:17 pmWe know it’s several swinging dicks.DColeKC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:45 pmThat's only part of the story. Of course the Mayor, City Manager, Cordish, Downtown Council and others wanted it in East Crossroads but there were enough complexities with East Village that made it an easy decision for the Royals. It's not as simple as some big swinging dick wanted it somewhere else, therefore it's going somewhere else.
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Central to Main, 6th to 8th. Six blocks. Two more than EC.langosta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:19 pmI don’t think there are 6 square blocks of open contiguous land in the north loop. Are you counting the interstate? Getting that closed down is such a major jump up you can’t count that as empty land.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:08 pmSix square blocks. More than East Crossroads, and that's what makes me mad. It was dismissed for being "too small" and then they chose something smaller.
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"Architects and consultants lay out parking and traffic plan for downtown Royals stadium:"
https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/ar ... chQ1JHB2EI
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You're ignoring the obvious impact on the existing fabric, which doesn't exist in EV.Highlander wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:54 pmThe EC location, however, is a significantly better location in every aspect except for the empty status of the East Village land. In every other way, EC is the better location and it will complement rather than compete with another existing KC private/public investment in the P&L District. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the players involved conspired to make it happen. That's what should have happened.grovester wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:34 pmTotally bogus.DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:39 pm How the hell did we get this far down the line -- including another round of demolition and displacement in EV itself -- before EV was "suddenly" ruled out? The feds don't control land use and there are lots of federal facilities next to more dangerous things. That also doesn't bode well for the marketing of EV alternatives. Will they allow towers? Are any of the ULI concepts allowable, for example?
Someone wanted it in EC and made it happen.
Everything else is cover.
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It'll be designed that way, but it won't work. It will turn EC into a ballpark district which is always mediocre.DColeKC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:58 pmWe will never agree on this and it's certainly water under the bridge, but comparing people's willingness to walk to the first ever NWSL game held at a purpose built stadium for women soccer isn't a great comparison. It wasn't just about the distance, which was a major barrier but it was about the fact that East Village would have been it's own, new area. Not an addition to Crossroads or PNL but a brand new "Village" that would have things built to contain and retain guests, ideally keeping them at the village. It would have been a disaster.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:09 pm I'll go to my grave that the EV location could have been built out just like EC is proposed and it would have fed the P&L. I've seen people walk a mile to get to a KC Current NWSL game, you can't tell me they wouldn't walk to EV to/from a game. It's water under the bridge at this point.
Someday when we finally release the EV land and let someone build there, it may help prove my opinion.
The east crossroads location isn't just better simply due to proximity but also in design. It won't be designed as it's own isolated area, but built to try and fit in day one to it's surroundings while doing the least amount of damage to existing businesses downtown.
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Are the blocks identical size, and identical to the blocks at the crossroads site?beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:28 pmCentral to Main, 6th to 8th. Six blocks. Two more than EC.langosta wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:19 pmI don’t think there are 6 square blocks of open contiguous land in the north loop. Are you counting the interstate? Getting that closed down is such a major jump up you can’t count that as empty land.beautyfromashes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:08 pm
Six square blocks. More than East Crossroads, and that's what makes me mad. It was dismissed for being "too small" and then they chose something smaller.
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I have a feeling that if it passes, it'll be narrow. If it fails, it'll be narrow. It won't be a blowout either way.grovester wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:02 pm Tie in polling.
https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/st ... -sales-tax
If the measure narrowly fails, it'll probably return later on.
If the measure narrowly passes, opponents to the measure will likely organize to push for a new vote on the issue or sue like no tomorrow.
It'll be nasty.
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Any lawsuit would be tossed. Waste of money. I predict is will pass and I'm guessing 57%
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I agree, as it should be, the execution to date has been brutish and nasty.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:10 pmI have a feeling that if it passes, it'll be narrow. If it fails, it'll be narrow. It won't be a blowout either way.grovester wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:02 pm Tie in polling.
https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/st ... -sales-tax
If the measure narrowly fails, it'll probably return later on.
If the measure narrowly passes, opponents to the measure will likely organize to push for a new vote on the issue or sue like no tomorrow.
It'll be nasty.
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I think you're spot on with that percentage.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:20 pm Any lawsuit would be tossed. Waste of money. I predict is will pass and I'm guessing 57%
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LOL. A group of volunteers versus a major league franchise? STFU.DColeKC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:23 pmDon't act like the crossroads community association hasn't swung a bit of dick too. We all know this is how the bread is made.DaveKCMO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:17 pmWe know it’s several swinging dicks.DColeKC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:45 pm
That's only part of the story. Of course the Mayor, City Manager, Cordish, Downtown Council and others wanted it in East Crossroads but there were enough complexities with East Village that made it an easy decision for the Royals. It's not as simple as some big swinging dick wanted it somewhere else, therefore it's going somewhere else.
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4.5% margin of error? Don't ask for the crosstabs...grovester wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:02 pm Tie in polling.
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