KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:50 pm
GRID wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:09 pm
KCPowercat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:04 pm
Agreed location can make or break it. Not the view. Location is bad at Kauffman hence it's struggles as anything but a baseball stadium in a parking lot. Is Wrigley a failure, it has no views. Fenway?
Fenway and Wrigley both have views. The upper deck of Fenway has an awesome view of back bay. Regardless, both those parks are in built out neighborhoods, something EV will never be. So it wouldn't matter as much if there are no views. But to not have a view nor be in a neighborhood?
Well that's not very urban planner of you. EV is 2000 feet away from the streetcar and it can never be built out? There isn't much hope for any location if that's the case. I thought it was posted earlier that the stadium shouldn't go there because it WOULD be built out with a better idea?
Yeah, a tram that goes 20mph and runs every 15 minutes is a half mile away. I mean, EV is going to be battery park! Come on.
There are like 10,000 places that would be more ideal to develop first in the downtown and crossroads areas. And it's not like large projects have really been built right on the streetcar line. A few have been proposed, but nothing but small five over ones and tiny office buildings have been built. And yet people think 25 story buildings are going to go up in EV.
The streetcar is what it is. It's fine, but if you are moving downtown to be near transit, I don't think EV is really all that great of an option. And don't tell me the transit center over there makes a difference.
And I said it would build out once the owners realize that they are not going to get Denver prices for the land and nobody is going to build 30 story apartment and hotel towers everywhere over there. It will develop as it should, a neighborhood of cheap five over ones once the prices are right and if they are not right the lots will sit empty, just at they have been waiting to cash in on that big development that they have been waiting for.
There is just nothing what so ever that indicates that substantial development will occur in the EV. Any development in KC in the next 25 years will be in the same places that have proposals now such as such of 670, down by the Freight house District and random lots in the crossroads.
Otherwise all you are doing is simply building a stadium over there to fill the hole. It will not be an activated urban area. There is a chance to at least have a ballpark that is interwoven into the urban fabric of KC in the CR. Pedestrians around it all the time, retail at its street level and around it that is open all the time etc.