Hyperloop between KC and STL
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
Also a lot easier to corral a train in, you can't just hop on any track & transfer over. Nothing like a plane freely flying in any direction.
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
I don't want to be naive, but sabotaging a train track seems like it would be very inconvenient and annoying for passengers and do some minimal economic damage for trips not taken/business not completed, but I think that's about it.
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
In some places you have to go through metal detectors (Eurostar, Brightline and the Spanish highspeed network being a few examples), but the great thing about trains is that so much of the inconvenience of air travel is removed. I want people to be safe, but also suggest we should be careful about rebuilding the airport security apparatus around train travel when, anecdotally observing other countries, safety doesn't seem to be much of an issue.DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:12 pm Was reading about the bright line project and I know nothing about high speed rail.
How safe is it?
How do they prevent attacks? For example, only way to utilize a plane for an attack is to hijack it or plant something on it.
Wouldn’t the entire rail system be much easier to plant a device on? Have other countries suffered any attacks on high speed rail?
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
And it’s also well established that airport style security doesn’t do a good job of actually stopping anythingsmh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:53 amIn some places you have to go through metal detectors (Eurostar, Brightline and the Spanish highspeed network being a few examples), but the great thing about trains is that so much of the inconvenience of air travel is removed. I want people to be safe, but also suggest we should be careful about rebuilding the airport security apparatus around train travel when, anecdotally observing other countries, safety doesn't seem to be much of an issue.DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:12 pm Was reading about the bright line project and I know nothing about high speed rail.
How safe is it?
How do they prevent attacks? For example, only way to utilize a plane for an attack is to hijack it or plant something on it.
Wouldn’t the entire rail system be much easier to plant a device on? Have other countries suffered any attacks on high speed rail?
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
Thislangosta wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:57 amAnd it’s also well established that airport style security doesn’t do a good job of actually stopping anythingsmh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:53 amIn some places you have to go through metal detectors (Eurostar, Brightline and the Spanish highspeed network being a few examples), but the great thing about trains is that so much of the inconvenience of air travel is removed. I want people to be safe, but also suggest we should be careful about rebuilding the airport security apparatus around train travel when, anecdotally observing other countries, safety doesn't seem to be much of an issue.DColeKC wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:12 pm Was reading about the bright line project and I know nothing about high speed rail.
How safe is it?
How do they prevent attacks? For example, only way to utilize a plane for an attack is to hijack it or plant something on it.
Wouldn’t the entire rail system be much easier to plant a device on? Have other countries suffered any attacks on high speed rail?
Any reasonably smart terrorist will just blow up the central security areas anyways.. since they're unsecured and dense.
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
TSA fails 95% of Dept. Homeland Security testsim2kull wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:19 pmThislangosta wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:57 amAnd it’s also well established that airport style security doesn’t do a good job of actually stopping anythingsmh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:53 am
In some places you have to go through metal detectors (Eurostar, Brightline and the Spanish highspeed network being a few examples), but the great thing about trains is that so much of the inconvenience of air travel is removed. I want people to be safe, but also suggest we should be careful about rebuilding the airport security apparatus around train travel when, anecdotally observing other countries, safety doesn't seem to be much of an issue.
Any reasonably smart terrorist will just blow up the central security areas anyways.. since they're unsecured and dense.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tes ... d=51022188
https://www.vox.com/2016/5/17/11687014/ ... t-security
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
With thousands of miles just out in the open, unsecured, it seems to me that placing a device on a high speed rail section and detonating right before the train encounters this section would cause extreme damage. I just see airline travel as safer from those types of threats as long as you can ensure nothing is brought on board.
I've never experienced high speed rail, so the concept is so foreign to me that I'm for sure overthinking this but seems like a valid concern. A quick google search lead me to a study conducted back in 2013 by the Mineta Transportation Institute about securing high speed rail in the United States. I'll give that a read later.
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
I mean, that’s an assumed risk, the same as a highway… you can’t secure a system into 100% safety.DColeKC wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:44 amWith thousands of miles just out in the open, unsecured, it seems to me that placing a device on a high speed rail section and detonating right before the train encounters this section would cause extreme damage. I just see airline travel as safer from those types of threats as long as you can ensure nothing is brought on board.
I've never experienced high speed rail, so the concept is so foreign to me that I'm for sure overthinking this but seems like a valid concern. A quick google search lead me to a study conducted back in 2013 by the Mineta Transportation Institute about securing high speed rail in the United States. I'll give that a read later.
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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL
True high speed rail corridors in the US have to be "sealed" -- protected by fencing with no at-grade crossings. Only Amtrak's NEC meets that threshold. Only the newest segment of Brightline is fast enough (125mph) to require that.
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... operation/
There is increased security -- but nothing like an airport -- at stations that serve these routes (basically Amtrak cops, dogs, cameras). Brightline notably differs from Amtrak in that they require enhanced screening (metal detectors) at all stations on the Florida line. That step is not mandated and is more about appealing to those familiar with air travel.
At low volume, low speed stations like KCY there is no security other than unarmed Amtrak staffers. You're more likely to be injured at a grade crossing for those routes. A shockingly frequent occurrence!
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... operation/
There is increased security -- but nothing like an airport -- at stations that serve these routes (basically Amtrak cops, dogs, cameras). Brightline notably differs from Amtrak in that they require enhanced screening (metal detectors) at all stations on the Florida line. That step is not mandated and is more about appealing to those familiar with air travel.
At low volume, low speed stations like KCY there is no security other than unarmed Amtrak staffers. You're more likely to be injured at a grade crossing for those routes. A shockingly frequent occurrence!