Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by langosta » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:54 pm

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Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:07 pm
The downtown TDD and expansion TDD both approved resolutions this week that support the above ordinance. This sets the stage for federal funding (which requires that all legislative approves be in place before funds can be awarded).

Now it's up to the Council...
Is the ordinance being introduced because we think federal funding is near?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:17 pm

langosta wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:54 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:07 pm
The downtown TDD and expansion TDD both approved resolutions this week that support the above ordinance. This sets the stage for federal funding (which requires that all legislative approves be in place before funds can be awarded).

Now it's up to the Council...
Is the ordinance being introduced because we think federal funding is near?
Yes.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:41 pm

Exciting gif

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by langosta » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:27 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:17 pm
langosta wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:54 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:07 pm
The downtown TDD and expansion TDD both approved resolutions this week that support the above ordinance. This sets the stage for federal funding (which requires that all legislative approves be in place before funds can be awarded).

Now it's up to the Council...
Is the ordinance being introduced because we think federal funding is near?
Yes.
Great to hear! The next round of FTA announcements is next year right?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:39 am

langosta wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:27 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:17 pm
langosta wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:54 pm


Is the ordinance being introduced because we think federal funding is near?
Yes.
Great to hear! The next round of FTA announcements is next year right?
2021 is still the target date, but they recently funded a project as soon as it entered engineering (which is unusual).

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by johnmatrix » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:52 am

Will it be done by the time the NFL draft is held here in 2023?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by flyingember » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:57 am

johnmatrix wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:52 am
Will it be done by the time the NFL draft is held here in 2023?
The starter line opened 3.5 years after being fully funded, and that was super fast as far as major projects go.

So if 2021 is the target for funding, late 2024 would be the earliest, possibly into 2025.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by nickyrosstheboss » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:10 am

I'll be dead before it opens........lol

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by normalthings » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:46 am

Council Recommendation: Do Pass

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:37 pm

normalthings wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:46 am
Council Recommendation: Do Pass
Three committee members were absent for the vote: Fowler, Shields, and Lucas.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by normalthings » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:22 am

@davekcmo The Draft GDAP notes Riverfront, UMKC, and North KC as planned streetcar expansions (no Independence Ave. or 31st). However, I had thought that NKC was off the table as much as Inde &31st are. Have things changed or is this just an oversight?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by langosta » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:26 am

normalthings wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:22 am
@davekcmo The Draft GDAP notes Riverfront, UMKC, and North KC as planned streetcar expansions (no Independence Ave. or 31st). However, I had thought that NKC was off the table as much as Inde &31st are. Have things changed or is this just an oversight?
This was one of the images in the new Greater Downtown Area Plan. Dotted in yellow are the 3 streetcar extensions you mentioned.
Image

IMHO. Independence Ave should be built after we remove the Northloop or at least until we bring Highway 9 down to grade. Linwood/31st and Inde appear to be going towards BRT already anyways. Maybe that’s why NKC is included and not them.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by flyingember » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:18 pm

Here's N. Oak BRT

https://www.kcata.org/transit-initiatives/north_oak

To save people time, here's the GDAP

http://kcmo.gov/planning/greater-downto ... plan-2018/
doc page 79, file page 40 has the map

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by earthling » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:31 pm

Would like to see that line turn into a true express line through city core with one stop each in RM, 12/Main, CC, Westport and Plaza.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by normalthings » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:31 pm

flyingember wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:18 pm
Here's N. Oak BRT

https://www.kcata.org/transit-initiatives/north_oak

To save people time, here's the GDAP

http://kcmo.gov/planning/greater-downto ... plan-2018/
doc page 79, file page 40 has the map
Ah, so its not really on the table.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:40 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:37 pm
normalthings wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:46 am
Council Recommendation: Do Pass
Three committee members were absent for the vote: Fowler, Shields, and Lucas.
The streetcar financing ordinance is on this afternoon's council agenda: http://cityclerk.kcmo.org/liveweb/Meeti ... wIfd9ibUHj

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:57 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:40 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:37 pm
normalthings wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:46 am
Council Recommendation: Do Pass
Three committee members were absent for the vote: Fowler, Shields, and Lucas.
The streetcar financing ordinance is on this afternoon's council agenda: http://cityclerk.kcmo.org/liveweb/Meeti ... wIfd9ibUHj
Full council passed. Hall and Loar voted no. Lucas not present. All others voted yes.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:18 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:57 pm
Full council passed. Hall and Loar voted no. Lucas not present. All others voted yes.
Does this mean construction can start before approval of federal funds?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:21 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:18 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:57 pm
Full council passed. Hall and Loar voted no. Lucas not present. All others voted yes.
Does this mean construction can start before approval of federal funds?
Nope. It just says to the feds "all local approvals are in place" while we wait for them to award the grant (which is anticipated for 2021). Some long-lead items may be ordered if local bonds are issued, such as vehicles, rail, and subsystems.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:33 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:21 pm
beautyfromashes wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:18 pm
Does this mean construction can start before approval of federal funds?
Nope. It just says to the feds "all local approvals are in place" while we wait for them to award the grant (which is anticipated for 2021). Some long-lead items may be ordered if local bonds are issued, such as vehicles, rail, and subsystems.
I’ve been noticing what seems to be crews taking core samples on Main in Midtown. Related to planning for streetcar or some other non related project?

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