It's been on the KCI website for years.Sani wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:50 am How long until we get something like this, the Program Definition Manual for the new terminal in Des Moines?
https://www.flykci.com/media/1446/mci-t ... -final.pdf
It's been on the KCI website for years.Sani wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:50 am How long until we get something like this, the Program Definition Manual for the new terminal in Des Moines?
I honestly think that ship has sailed and St Louis will be the Mid-Contient hub for a long time. St Louis has seemed to work quite well for SW and they have a flights to mid sized cities which work in a hub set up - Des Moines, Omaha, Wichita, Little Rock,KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:55 pm For all the SWA fans in kc.....
https://twitter.com/KCBizJournal/status ... 26689?s=19
I used to agree with that but I’m not so sure anymore. The only space left for SWA to expand in in STL is the old, former RJ and commuter jet concourse. A long and narrow single loaded terminal is not really an ideal set up.brewcrew1000 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:04 pmI honestly think that ship has sailed and St Louis will be the Mid-Contient hub for a long time. St Louis has seemed to work quite well for SW and they have a flights to mid sized cities which work in a hub set up - Des Moines, Omaha, Wichita, Little Rock,KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:55 pm For all the SWA fans in kc.....
https://twitter.com/KCBizJournal/status ... 26689?s=19
I agree. The information in the KCBiz article originally ran in a Wall Street Journal piece. SWA previously had not been willing to make statements like that to even the small local news outlets. Coming out and saying that to the Wall Street Journal carries a certain weight to it.KCPowercat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:54 pm Dunno....the story wasn't written specifically from a KC angle so odd it would be mentioned.
It is new baggage claims and a 2nd input further down towards their new gates for baggage handlers airside. So they can process twice as many bags coming off planes at a time.normalthings wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:02 pm STL Terminal 2 has had problems with baggage throughout but they are building an additional facility. However, I’m not sure if it’s just baggage claims or bag claims and sortatation.
I don’t think that’s it’s a revelation more so a very strong positive. Yes, this has been expected since the beginning. It’s just good to hear someone so high up officially say it, and to be saying it to paper or such provenance as WSJ.dev49 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:03 pm The entire reason for building the new terminal was so Southwest could connect more passengers. So, I am not sure this is some sort of revelation. I think this was expected. Southwest likes to build their flights "mostly" point to point with filling extra space with connections. I would expect this means a lot of cites we just don't quite have enough O&D to will now be possible to have nonstop (CLE/CMH/etc). That doesn't mean they are going to come in here and add a ton of flights from day one but I would expect them to slowly grow capacity. They are running out of space at other airports (mainly MDW/DAL) so they need another airport to start pushing more connections through. We are flanked by STL and DEN, which are still growing (and will continue to grow until our new terminal is open) but I think there will still be plenty of room for us to have our own connecting operation. And even though Southwest is pushing this terminal, it doesn't mean that a different airline won't be the one to have an expansion. IF Southwest decides they really don't need a big operation here, I think someone else will come in and fill the void. Delta seems to be pushing towards the idea of having some focus cities, or who knows in 5 years what JetBlue/Alaska will be doing with the middle of the country.
Only asterisk to this is that none of us know what the air transportation landscape will be like when the terminal does finally open. We could be in a recession, or who knows what. Four to Six to how many ever years it takes, is a long time from now still. Growth has been really good lately and at some point the good times will have to level off to a more realistic number.
It's very nice but DSM has a problem. They can't afford it & are short about $200M.Sani wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:50 am How long until we get something like this, the Program Definition Manual for the new terminal in Des Moines?
Oh, maybe I misread that document. I thought that it was a final design manual for their new terminal. That is what I'm looking for for the new terminal here.flyingember wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:44 amIt's been on the KCI website for years.Sani wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:50 am How long until we get something like this, the Program Definition Manual for the new terminal in Des Moines?
https://www.flykci.com/media/1446/mci-t ... -final.pdf
You linked to a planning document, I linked to the same kind of planning document. They're from different companies but it's the same thing. A document used for planning several years before approving a new terminal.Sani wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:20 amOh, maybe I misread that document. I thought that it was a final design manual for their new terminal. That is what I'm looking for for the new terminal here.flyingember wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:44 amIt's been on the KCI website for years.Sani wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:50 am How long until we get something like this, the Program Definition Manual for the new terminal in Des Moines?
https://www.flykci.com/media/1446/mci-t ... -final.pdf
This is all concept work to be used in making the design for their terminal.The goal of the exercise is for a final deliverable providing an in-depth program definition manual for the Airport and future design consultant(s) that would outline all planning decisions. The PDM was intended to provide detailed criteria for developing the design for the new terminal and its associated projects. The findings of this study are the product of this Program Definition Manual (PDM) in the following chapters.