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Re: Politics

Post by phuqueue » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:39 pm

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phuqueue wrote:I agree that if 50 Republicans vote for the nominee anyway, it doesn't make sense to punish red state Dems who latch onto a fait accompli. No Dem should be the deciding vote though.
As for Collins, while she says she won't use a "litmus test", she does want a candidate with good "judicial temperament" and a "respect for precedent".

That's code for "Wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade"
That has literally never been code for "Wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade" on any other nominee she's ever voted on. If the new judge is the fifth vote to dismantle Roe, Collins will have voted yes on four of those five (with Thomas predating her Senate tenure).
Barack Obama wrote:“The Democrats’ job is not to exaggerate; the Democrats’ job is not to simply mimic the tactics of the other side. All we have to do is work hard on behalf of that truth. And if we do, we’ll get better outcomes.”
Counterpoint: Obama spent eight years doing this and look where we are now.

Not that I think the Dems should "exaggerate" or lie -- and I don't think they need to, either. In a vacuum, if you strip away everybody's dumb tribal identities and all the bullshit, Dem policies are more popular than GOP policies. But they should absolutely "mimic the tactics" of the GOP in other respects, because the GOP has proven those tactics work. For instance, if by some miracle, the Dems retake the Senate (unlikely) before a new justice is confirmed (even more unlikely), they should blockade any nominee, just as McConnell did. If they retake the entire federal government in 2020, they should pack the court and admit DC and Puerto Rico as new states. They tried "when they go low, we go high," and it was an astonishing failure. It's time for them to try "when they take off the gloves, we put on the brass knuckles."
I absolutely agree with the last part of your post. The game has changed.

And WTF about Kennedy's son working for Deutsche Bank and Donald Trump? You can't make this shit up!
Yeah the entire administration is just infested with corruption. So many of these people belong in prison. And hopefully some of them will end up there.

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Re: Politics

Post by FangKC » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:25 pm

Top Pence aide Nick Ayers denies breaking the law while running Greitens campaign
Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff denies allegations in a newly filed ethics complaint that he violated Missouri campaign finance laws while helping to run former Gov. Eric Greitens’ 2016 campaign.

Nick Ayers served as Greitens' top political consultant in 2016 and was later paid by Greitens' nonprofit, A New Missouri Inc. His protégé, Austin Chambers, was Greitens’ top adviser during his 17 months as governor.
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In a complaint filed Tuesday with the Missouri Ethics Commission against Greitens' campaign and nonprofit, Ayers is accused of helping both entities commit multiple campaign finance violations — most notably illegally working to conceal the identity of donors.
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https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politi ... 79755.html

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Re: Politics

Post by brewcrew1000 » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:06 pm

I heard something on the radio today about this Q conspriacy "Qanon" - Its crazy what these people are believing and these Q people can basically take anything and spin it into there own conspiracy/narrative, its basically taking the Alex Jones show to the mainstream - One topic in the Conspiracy is that The GOP lost the Alabama special election for Jeff Sessions’s Senate seat on purpose — a plan devised years ago to reveal the use of fraudulent voting machines and, ultimately, take down none other than George Soros. Or the Rothschilds. Or the Illuminati.

There are numerous accusations floating around the QAnon world. Some suggest Clinton and Obama are in cahoots with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Others suggest they, along with Hollywood figures and other world leaders, are participants in a global pedophile ring

WTF is happening to this country?

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/02/63474938 ... rump-world

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... 900c6d03af

And have you seen the video of the CNN reporter getting Heckled at the Tampa Rally? Trump is basically taking politics and turning it into a WWE style event.

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Re: Politics

Post by grovester » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:01 pm

If only it were as innocent as a WWE event.

There are about 35% of the electorate who are completely detached from reality.

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Re: Politics

Post by mean » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:12 pm

It would be funny if not so potentially deadly for the country. Our susceptibility to insanely stupid propaganda and conspiracy theories is shocking.

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Re: Politics

Post by FangKC » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:59 pm

Emails related to Kobach-led voting commission show ‘pre-ordained outcome,’ Dem says
Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap released a trove of documents Friday afternoon that he says show that the leaders of a disbanded presidential commission went into an investigation of voter fraud with predetermined outcomes.

Dunlap, a Democrat, served on the commission but filed suit against the federal government for the documents after he said he was left out of key discussions related to the commission, which was headed by Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach.

“Contrary to what we were promised, these documents show that there was, in fact, a pre-ordained outcome to this commission to demonstrate widespread voter fraud,without any evidence to back it up,” Dunlap said in a letter to Pence and Kobach.

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https://www.kansascity.com/news/politic ... 64545.html

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Re: Politics

Post by FangKC » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:12 am

The snake-oil salesman.

Kobach promised cities help. It cost them millions — and powered his political rise

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politic ... 74130.html

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Re: Politics

Post by WSPanic » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:15 pm

Any thoughts about Tuesday's election? Right to Work/Prop A seems to be the biggest issue on the KCMO ballot. Also a Question regarding rental property inspections as well.

Obviously a ton of primaries as well.

Don't forget to vote Tuesday!

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Re: Politics

Post by loftguy » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:59 am

WSPanic wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:15 pm
Also a Question regarding rental property inspections as well.
Last week I read the language for the 'Healthy Homes' proposal.
It is not good.
Reads like a Clay Chastain initiative, big on hot buttons and frighteningly short on essential process.

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Re: Politics

Post by AllThingsKC » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:21 am

Not a lot to predict in a primary election. Not sure how Prop A will turn out. The ballot wording itself favors a "YES" vote. But I have only seen "vote NO" signs. So it's probably a matter of who's more passionate to turn out. If that's the case, the results typically favor people who vote no or against something over people who would vote a "casual yes" or are undecided. So I suspect Prop A will fail. KC Question 1 probably passes.
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Re: Politics

Post by brewcrew1000 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:20 am

https://www.quora.com/Does-Donald-Trump ... ted-States

If he is a con man then I don't understand why this kind of stuff wasn't used against him in 2016

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Re: Politics

Post by loftguy » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:26 am

brewcrew1000 wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:20 am
https://www.quora.com/Does-Donald-Trump ... ted-States

If he is a con man then I don't understand why this kind of stuff wasn't used against him in 2016
He was repeatedly called out on his modus operendi, and he managed to slither through.
He is believed to be securing a patent on this set of moves.

The meaningful vetting of his viability and veracity should have come from the Republican party.
You can answer why that did not occur.

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Re: Politics

Post by FangKC » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:17 pm

Anyone who has lived in New York City knew Trump was a con artist. It's his hometown, and only 14 percent of Manhattan voted for him, and that is where he lived. Only 19 percent of all of New York City voted for him, and that's his hometown.

Tells you a lot.

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