Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:55 pm

"Watch" party on Wednesday evening at the new Whole Foods: https://www.facebook.com/events/1524433544335427/

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by earthling » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:46 pm

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3,545 is the final count for @kcstreetcar ballots accepted before the 5pm June 12 deadline... 10% of registered voters in the TDD boundary ("turnout").

4,770 ballots were mailed & 5,044 were requested.

Certified results announced at noon June 20 at Union Station!
So given leaders likely know preliminary results and they are planning an event based announcement (WF watch party as well) rather than low key announcement, pretty much confirms it passed, right? And would be surprising if you don't already know Dave. :)

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by dnweava » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:00 pm

earthling wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:
3,545 is the final count for @kcstreetcar ballots accepted before the 5pm June 12 deadline... 10% of registered voters in the TDD boundary ("turnout").

4,770 ballots were mailed & 5,044 were requested.

Certified results announced at noon June 20 at Union Station!
So given leaders likely know preliminary results and they are planning an event based announcement (WF watch party as well) rather than low key announcement, pretty much confirms it passed, right? And would be surprising if you don't already know Dave. :)
yea, it's pretty obvious it passed. Just announce it already...

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:30 pm

The election board won't release preliminary results (same stance they took for the formation vote last year). We'll know on Wednesday with everyone else.

That being said, with the known number of returns (3,500ish) and who the voters are we can easily estimate a win.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by Imarealperson » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:47 am

Will the expansion come with new LED street lighting like the starter line did? Also, will they use the lower Kelvin lighting? That harsh daylight blue LED lighting downtown is really bad.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:54 am

Yeah who likes daylight. Gross.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by Imarealperson » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:59 am

KCPowercat wrote:Yeah who likes daylight. Gross.
No need to be a smartass. Nobody likes daylight at 2 am. . There is a reason municipalities are going away from it. It screws with wildlife and even human circadian rythyms. You wouldn’t put a daylight LED in your home. I would hope the new lighting will be 3000 kelvin or less.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:04 pm

My condo is all daylight bulbs.

Welcome to the site....we are typically smartasses to each other....

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by Imarealperson » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:16 pm

KCPowercat wrote:My condo is all daylight bulbs.

Welcome to the site....we are typically smartasses to each other....
Gross. It bet it looks like an operating room in there.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:18 pm

Imarealperson wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:My condo is all daylight bulbs.

Welcome to the site....we are typically smartasses to each other....
Gross. It bet it looks like an operating room in there.
That's the spirit!

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by taxi » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:19 pm

The only reason people use daylight bulbs is because they don't know any better.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:25 pm

Imarealperson wrote:Will the expansion come with new LED street lighting like the starter line did? Also, will they use the lower Kelvin lighting? That harsh daylight blue LED lighting downtown is really bad.
The lights the city installed downtown are around 5000 Kelvin, IIRC, but not sure what they would install elsewhere. I prefer it to the orange that preceded it and it's in the range where security is a goal (and it is): http://www.westinghouselighting.com/col ... ature.aspx

They are also dimmable, but the auto-dimming feature is not enabled at the moment (I've seen a demo of it working on Main).

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by Imarealperson » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:33 pm

The orange are high pressure sodium lighting, They provide a ton of light but are an old technology. If you’re ever curious to see the difference, drive down 75th st in PV ant night and compare those 3000k to those in Roeland Park at 4000k or so. The warmer lights are much more inviting. Lawrence is changing from 4000k tominder 3000k also.

What they did downtown was fine at the time but technology changes over 7-8 years. The warmer colored LEDs are the same price at the cooler ones, btw.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:37 pm

Imarealperson wrote:The orange are high pressure sodium lighting, They provide a ton of light but are an old technology. If you’re ever curious to see the difference, drive down 75th st in PV ant night and compare those 3000k to those in Roeland Park at 4000k or so. The warmer lights are much more inviting. Lawrence is changing from 4000k tominder 3000k also.

What they did downtown was fine at the time but technology changes over 7-8 years. The warmer colored LEDs are the same price at the cooler ones, btw.
Call Public Works and let them know: 816-513-9970

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:38 pm

Nooo...

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by Imarealperson » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:46 pm

Public works knows.
I was just wondering if anyone here had seen what the plans are and if they are just copy/paste the starter line specs or not.

I know it seems ridiculous to be concerned with something like this but it would go along way to making the route look more pedestrian friendly and not like a parking garage.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:20 pm

This pedestrian prefers daylight.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by Imarealperson » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:37 pm

taxi wrote:The only reason people use daylight bulbs is because they don't know any better.
Exactly. Genius marketing move in the days where commercial LEDs were only that harsh blue color.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by dnweava » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:42 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:Boards from the public meeting: http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... dsMaps.pdf
the more I look at these designs the more I think about how much potential we are about to flush and I'm kinda angry and how shit these designs are... This design reduces traffic lanes on main and puts a streetcar in that traffic. Why is there still parking on main? Why does this not have a dedicated streetcar/bus lane? Why are we designing the streetcar network to be as slow as possible? The downtown segment is garbage for design... Have the people that drew these up ever been to Europe????

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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DaveKCMO wrote:Boards from the public meeting: http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... dsMaps.pdf
the more I look at these designs the more I think about how much potential we are about to flush and I'm kinda angry and how shit these designs are... This design reduces traffic lanes on main and puts a streetcar in that traffic. Why is there still parking on main? Why does this not have a dedicated streetcar/bus lane? Why are we designing the streetcar network to be as slow as possible? The downtown segment is garbage for design... Have the people that drew these up ever been to Europe????

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Reallocating space away from cars (or restricting their movements) is hard everywhere in America. Surely you have observed this fact.

That being said, the downtown streetcar has the best on-time performance in the region (and best streetcar-specific OTP in the US), travel times have been decreasing since launch, and incremental restrictions on car intrusions have been made all along the alignment. I appreciate the purist attitude, but it is just that. The city holds the keys as the system owner and controller of the right of way. Consider yourself lucky we even got the opportunity to study a center lane alignment (you're welcome).

Also, you bring no demographic data to support your assertion that it's "just for white people". Even anecdata from daily trips would tell you that is a lie. That's not even anecdotally the case on Saturdays. Nice try, though!

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