this is definitely the vibe i got at the picnicKCPowercat wrote:Feels like they are doing char bar honestly.
yessssbeautyfromashes wrote:Better than GB!
this is definitely the vibe i got at the picnicKCPowercat wrote:Feels like they are doing char bar honestly.
yessssbeautyfromashes wrote:Better than GB!
I'm just trying to make the point that people generally want to go to that place they heard about online or from Anthony Bourdain or whatever, and this isn't it, but it sort of is, or at least it theoretically has some of the same food. I'm sure there will be some people who are like "Huh? This isn't the place I wanted to go to, but it kind of is, but not really, but I should still just go there because some of the food is the same and it's closer than that gas station thing I saw on TV?" I mean... it's kind of confusing!StrangerThings wrote:If it's confusing to people, big deal, they'll figure it out. It won't be confusing to the tourist market, the big 12 customers, the concert goers or anyone else who can use a smartphone to search for nearby restaurants. It won't be confusing to anyone who walks by and can see the Joe's logo, granted smaller and underneath the County Line title.
I tend to share that assessment, and if the food is up to par I have little doubt it will be successful regardless of the situation being a little hard to explain clearly in a brief manner to tourists seeking that place they heard about. "Just go there, trust me," is probably going to be enough of an explanation most of the time.StrangerThings wrote:The bottom line is, regardless of this mystical confusion you speak of, this is probably the best restaurant addition to the P&L district in years, if not ever. Now, that's my opinion, so by all means feel free to rip that apart too.
That wasn't meant as an insult, or even a negative thing--I'm glad Cordish has a something of an advocate around, because it's really easy to get a bit overly cynical about a corporation's motives and intentions. Most of the time I feel like your posts help clear things up when there are questions or doubts about those things, just maybe a skosh overly defensive on this one.StrangerThings wrote:As for calling me a "cordish apologist", I can just go back to reading and not commenting like I did for years before speaking up. I see questions that I have answers to and try to offer some insight.
I thought I was being funny, but I suppose it could be read not as an attempt at humor but an attempt to sort of beat someone over the head with a point by repetition, which wasn't my intention. I apologize if you read it that way.StrangerThings wrote:Congratulations on fitting the most "joes" into a single paragraph by the way.
FWIW, quibbles aside, we thoroughly appreciate your input on here. Hope you'll keep it up.StrangerThings wrote:My lord, are we just arguing for the fun of it? I think it's obvious what I'm trying to say, but I don't have time to explain in terms understandable to all people, especially ones who are combative and argumentative. JEFF (I'm not a history buff on the evolution of JOE'S BBQ) has said he doesn't want to open anymore restaurants that are JUST "JOES". Maybe he's bored, maybe he doesn't want Joe's to become too must like a franchise you see on every corner which can cause the brand to loose some authenticity? I'm not sure, Jeff and I don't kick it at BBQ festivals while drinking non-craft beer, so you'll have to ask him.mean wrote:Cool story, but that doesn't really address how anyone thought this was a better idea than that.StrangerThings wrote:Joe has stated over and over again he is DONE opening more "Joe's".
"I'm tired of giving people what they want, so instead I'm going to give people something vaguely similar but simultaneously entirely different, with a completely different and unfamiliar name, which they may or may not want!" seems like a questionable approach to business.
Above and beyond that, you seem to be having a hard time keeping things straight...
StrangerThings wrote:Joe has stated over and over again he is DONE opening more "Joe's".You're already making things confusing, and you're the one claiming there won't be any confusion! It's a Joe's, but it isn't a Joe's, but it is a Joe's because there is Joe's branding, but it isn't a Joe's because he said he wouldn't open any more Joe's, but it is a Joe's because it has Joe's food, but it isn't a Joe's because it isn't called a Joe's, but it is a Joe's because the guy behind Joe's is a partner, but it isn't a Joe's because there's table service, but it is a Joe's but it isn't a Joe's, but it is a Joe's, but it isn't a Joe's, but it is, but it isn't, but it is, but it isn't, is, isn't, is, isn't, is, isn't, is, isn't.StrangerThings wrote:this is a joes
Look, I get it, you're the resident Cordish apologist, but come on. This is stupid, and it is going to confuse people, and it already is confusing people.
This is a NEW concept, that features Joe's BBQ. It is NOT in name "JOE"S BBQ".
If it's confusing to people, big deal, they'll figure it out. It won't be confusing to the tourist market, the big 12 customers, the concert goers or anyone else who can use a smartphone to search for nearby restaurants. It won't be confusing to anyone who walks by and can see the Joe's logo, granted smaller and underneath the County Line title.
The bottom line is, regardless of this mystical confusion you speak of, this is probably the best restaurant addition to the P&L district in years, if not ever. Now, that's my opinion, so by all means feel free to rip that apart too.
As for calling me a "cordish apologist", I can just go back to reading and not commenting like I did for years before speaking up. I see questions that I have answers to and try to offer some insight.
Congratulations on fitting the most "joes" into a single paragraph by the way.
Still confused here. Is this affiliated with the County Line BBQ chain out of Austin TX? That alone would be a huge contrast in BBQ styles.StrangerThings wrote:My lord, are we just arguing for the fun of it? I think it's obvious what I'm trying to say, but I don't have time to explain in terms understandable to all people, especially ones who are combative and argumentative. JEFF (I'm not a history buff on the evolution of JOE'S BBQ) has said he doesn't want to open anymore restaurants that are JUST "JOES". Maybe he's bored, maybe he doesn't want Joe's to become too must like a franchise you see on every corner which can cause the brand to loose some authenticity? I'm not sure, Jeff and I don't kick it at BBQ festivals while drinking non-craft beer, so you'll have to ask him.mean wrote:Cool story, but that doesn't really address how anyone thought this was a better idea than that.StrangerThings wrote:Joe has stated over and over again he is DONE opening more "Joe's".
"I'm tired of giving people what they want, so instead I'm going to give people something vaguely similar but simultaneously entirely different, with a completely different and unfamiliar name, which they may or may not want!" seems like a questionable approach to business.
Above and beyond that, you seem to be having a hard time keeping things straight...
StrangerThings wrote:Joe has stated over and over again he is DONE opening more "Joe's".You're already making things confusing, and you're the one claiming there won't be any confusion! It's a Joe's, but it isn't a Joe's, but it is a Joe's because there is Joe's branding, but it isn't a Joe's because he said he wouldn't open any more Joe's, but it is a Joe's because it has Joe's food, but it isn't a Joe's because it isn't called a Joe's, but it is a Joe's because the guy behind Joe's is a partner, but it isn't a Joe's because there's table service, but it is a Joe's but it isn't a Joe's, but it is a Joe's, but it isn't a Joe's, but it is, but it isn't, but it is, but it isn't, is, isn't, is, isn't, is, isn't, is, isn't.StrangerThings wrote:this is a joes
Look, I get it, you're the resident Cordish apologist, but come on. This is stupid, and it is going to confuse people, and it already is confusing people.
This is a NEW concept, that features Joe's BBQ. It is NOT in name "JOE"S BBQ".
If it's confusing to people, big deal, they'll figure it out. It won't be confusing to the tourist market, the big 12 customers, the concert goers or anyone else who can use a smartphone to search for nearby restaurants. It won't be confusing to anyone who walks by and can see the Joe's logo, granted smaller and underneath the County Line title.
The bottom line is, regardless of this mystical confusion you speak of, this is probably the best restaurant addition to the P&L district in years, if not ever. Now, that's my opinion, so by all means feel free to rip that apart too.
As for calling me a "cordish apologist", I can just go back to reading and not commenting like I did for years before speaking up. I see questions that I have answers to and try to offer some insight.
Congratulations on fitting the most "joes" into a single paragraph by the way.
It's worth looking up the reason behind the name history and change before insulting it.NorthOak wrote: Oklahoma Joes
Ok everyone makes a mistake now and then and names his shit after a state that has no BBQ tradition and that makes most people think of dirt roads and tornados. I gave him a pass thinking; he's just not a creative (or logical) person and he doesn't care about KC's rep as a BBQ capital, he would rather name his shit something dumb.
Then he realizes after years that OK Joes is a dumb ass name and rightly changes it to KC Joes.
OK, he understand he was a dumb ass for naming it OK Joes and wants to make it right. Good for him.
Now the other co-founder, Joe Davidson, said he will open another Oklahoma Joe’s in Tulsa in 2015, as well as two restaurants in Washington, D.C. He also wants to open a facility in the Tulsa area so he can ship his Oklahoma Joe’s barbecue throughout the U.S.
The Stehneys and Davidson opened the first Oklahoma Joe's restaurant in January 1996 in Stillwater, Okla. The Kansas City, Kan., location, in a gas station at 3002 W. 47th Ave., opened in August that year.
Davidson sold his Oklahoma Joe’s Smoker Co. to W.C. Bradley Co. in the late 1990s and relocated to Texas. Without an owner/operator onsite, the partners decided to close the Oklahoma restaurant, and the Stehneys became sole owners of the restaurant in Kansas City, Kan.
The Stehneys later opened restaurants in Leawood and Olathe.
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As for Davidson, he moved back to Oklahoma in 2000. He opened an Oklahoma Joe’s restaurant in Broken Arrow, Okla., in 2011, and another in the Cain’s Ballroom in Tulsa in 2012.
The Kansas and Oklahoma restaurants also have slightly different menus to serve their regions. For example, the Kansas restaurants serve smoked ham, while the Oklahoma operations serve hot links and barbecue bologna.
“While we come from the same tree we have slightly different variations in our recipes,” Jeff Stehney said. “But it became apparent that while I own the Kansas restaurants I don’t own all the rights. The value of my brand could get diluted.”
So three years ago the Stehneys and Davidson sat down and worked out agreement going forward.
The Kansas restaurants would change their name within five years.
Davidson could go ahead with his plan to take Oklahoma Joe’s nationwide, as long he did not open Oklahoma Joe’s restaurants in Kansas or on the Missouri side of the Kansas City metro until 2021.
“We do want to grow but Jeff said he was really content being in Kansas City,” Davidson said. “He is a dear friend and a great steward of the brand and has grown the brand. But I told Jeff, ‘This is something I own. You don’t have a brand to sell.’ And everyone deserves an opportunity to own their own business.”
How are people ever going to find the Q39 location on Antioch? What a disaster.beautyfromashes wrote:A lot of people complaining about the name having no following or that it's dumb need to remember that only a few years ago a BBQ restaurant was opened with an even worse name and became a huge hit...Q39. A name doesn't really matter. If the food is good, service polite and quick and a good atmosphere, it will be wildly popular.
I work across the street from it. The building basically sits right smack in the middle of the economic center of the metro area, bounded by Corp Woods on one side and a whole slew of corp office buildings on the east side. I'm pretty sure it will be easily found.Imarealperson wrote:How are people ever going to find the Q39 location on Antioch? What a disaster.beautyfromashes wrote:A lot of people complaining about the name having no following or that it's dumb need to remember that only a few years ago a BBQ restaurant was opened with an even worse name and became a huge hit...Q39. A name doesn't really matter. If the food is good, service polite and quick and a good atmosphere, it will be wildly popular.
Sarcasm? It's really hard to tell anymore.Imarealperson wrote:How are people ever going to find the Q39 location on Antioch? What a disaster.beautyfromashes wrote:A lot of people complaining about the name having no following or that it's dumb need to remember that only a few years ago a BBQ restaurant was opened with an even worse name and became a huge hit...Q39. A name doesn't really matter. If the food is good, service polite and quick and a good atmosphere, it will be wildly popular.