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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stad

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How about the northwest corner of Truman & Troost? 12th to Truman, Troost to Holmes. Only a couple buildings of significance and they could be built around.

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How about Peculiar MO where Charlie Finley wanted to move the A's 50 years ago?
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chingon wrote:Our baseball stadium should be near 18th and Paseo. I don't see how this is even a debate.
YES. Serve as a bridge between 18th and Vine and East Crossroads. No-brainer to me.
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KCMax wrote:
chingon wrote:Our baseball stadium should be near 18th and Paseo. I don't see how this is even a debate.
YES. Serve as a bridge between 18th and Vine and East Crossroads. No-brainer to me.
That would be pretty cool. The Negro Leagues Museum would be right next to the stadium, and 18th and Vine district could essentially be the "Wrigleyville" or "BBQ-ville" of KC.
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It is the perfect solution. Fills that east/west void, highway access, lack of valuable tear downs (presumed), run a streetcar all the way down 18th. Somebody needs to start planting the seeds on it now so it's fully formed in 20 years.
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I like the idea, but there are a fair number of people living around 18th and Paseo. NW of that intersection would have the least impact to residents: Manual HS and a huge KCATA facility. 18th/71/Truman/Paseo may not be a big enough, tho. May have to cross 18th and go all the way to the railroad cut. But the city owns part of the land already, so that's a plus.
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the issue with that spot is it would have a huge impact on the neighborhood. you would suddenly have people tearing down homes to put in private parking lots and garages.

if the stadium is moved downtown it needs to be at a major garage and *on* a major transit corridor that is a lined with existing parking garages AND close to large hotels.
Look at St. Louis and Minneapolis for good examples of this.

The best place for the stadium in terms of the whole environment would actually be between Crown Center and Union Hill on the large parking lots there.

It would validate the cost of a streetcar path to Linwood to pass by Hospital Hill to have diversity of access and help redevelopment move towards Holmes even more, putting pressure to redevelop along Troost. It would bring tens of thousands of more people to crown center 100 times a year which is the other half of downtown to the CBD.

It's also inbetween Troost MAX and Main St MAX today maximizing access to stadium jobs for the east side.

It's close to the best commuter terminal at Union Station without needing another stop in that system. And that also puts it at Amtrak for easier access for people coming across state. We need more reasons to get more daily trains on that system.
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flyingember wrote:The best place for the stadium in terms of the whole environment would actually be between Crown Center and Union Hill on the large parking lots there.
I like that location idea, but I think it might be a tight fit if you want to avoid encroaching on Union Cemetery.
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Eon Blue wrote:
flyingember wrote:The best place for the stadium in terms of the whole environment would actually be between Crown Center and Union Hill on the large parking lots there.
I like that location idea, but I think it might be a tight fit if you want to avoid encroaching on Union Cemetery.
There's little opportunity for spinoff development for the southern Crown Center location, although the CC parking facilities could maybe be utilized. Troost is a bit too far and Main is isolated by the cemetery and residential.

While we're dreaming, I like the idea of tearing down the Blue Cross building and cramming the stadium in over the railroad trench north of Washington Sq park - right on the streetcar and Amtrak lines, visually the best location when looking out from the stadium, increased traffic to Crown Center and Union Station and bridges CC to the Crossroads.

After that spot, I like the north loop.
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I would love one down there. That would just add more people going downtown to enjoy life and spend money. It would be beautiful, and it will never happen.
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Not this topic again. It's been gone over and over so many times.
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:(

Image

A tale of two stadia: 19,000 parking spaces vs a city full of people
http://www.treehugger.com/urban-design/ ... ums-2.html
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How to tell sports stadiums don't lead to economic development? the image on the right.

42 years and the entire area is lacking for almost anything to do with going to an event.
And the area around the stadiums would not be a hard area to find places to declare blighted.

I like the idea of the royals being downtown instead but it needs to come with the team finding the money or being a larger regional effort
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^^ yeah, but looks likes it sandwiched between two highway trenches. Any residential there would be like camping in the middle of a divided highway.
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Comparing Toronto to Kansas City isn't even comparing apples to oranges. From wiki:
"The Greater Toronto Area is a commercial, distribution, financial and economic centre, being the third largest financial centre in North America.[44] The region as a whole generates about a fifth of the GDP of Canada, and is home to 40% of Canada's business headquarters.[45][46] The economies of the municipalities in Greater Toronto themselves are largely intertwined with one another.[47] The work force is made up of approximately 2.9 million people and more than 100,000 companies[48] The Greater Toronto Area currently produces nearly 20% of the entire nation's GDP with $323 Billion, and from 1992 to 2002, experienced an average GDP growth rate of 4.0% and a job creation rate of 2.4% (compared to the national average GDP growth rate of 3% and job creation rate of 1.6%).[45][49] Currently, over 51% of the labour force in the Greater Toronto Area is employed in the service sector, with 19% in the manufacturing, 17% of the labour force employed in wholesale & retail trade, 8% of the labour force involved in transportation, communication &utilities, and 5% of the workforce is involved in construction.[50] Despite the fact that the service industry makes up only 51% of Greater Toronto's workforce, over 72% of the region's GDP is generated by service industries.[45]

The largest industry in the Greater Toronto Area is the financial services in the province, accounting for an estimated 25% of the region's GDP.[45] Notably, the five largest banks in Canada all have their operational headquarters located in Toronto's Financial District.[51] Toronto is also where the headquarters of the Toronto Stock Exchange and the Standard and Poor TSX Composite Index are located, with offices of the TSX Venture Exchange also located in Toronto.[51] The TMX Group, the owners and operators of TSX Exchanges as well as the Montreal Exchange are also headquartered in Toronto. The TSX and the TSX Venture Exchange represent 3,369 companies, including more than half of the world’s publicly traded mining companies.[51]

Markham also attracted the highest concentration of high tech companies in Canada, and because of it, has positioned itself as Canada's High-Tech Capital.[52] The Greater Toronto Area is currently the second largest automotive centre in North America (after Detroit). Currently,[when?] General Motors, Ford and Chrysler run six assembly plants in the area, with Honda and Toyota having assembly plants just outside of the GTA. General Motors, Ford, Honda, KIA, Mazda, Suzuki, Nissan, Volkswagen, Toyota, Hyundai, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Subaru, Volvo, BMW, and Mitsubishi have chosen the Greater Toronto Area for their Canadian headquarters.[53] Magna International, the world's most diversified car supplier,[54] also has its headquarters located in Aurora.[55] The entire automobile industry within the region accounts for roughly 10% of the region's GDP."
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beautyfromashes wrote:^^ yeah, but looks likes it sandwiched between two highway trenches. Any residential there would be like camping in the middle of a divided highway.
Not residential necessarily, I was thinking more of an entertainment district, restaurants and such

you can see the problem in gaining entertainment-centric development around any notable professional sports major stadium or arena in the region.

KC-
The Legends and P&L have three between them. The Legends was sold by the city and P&L needs massive subsidies.
that's three stadiums/arenas that didn't help those entertainment districts

St. Louis-
Ball Park Village was majorly delayed and is mostly a parking lot and there's a massive parking lot just to the south
The hockey arena is close to the largely abandoned Union Station and a block away is a bunch of parking lots
the football arena has multiple blocks to the north unused

Springfield
the Cardinals associated minor league stadium and the city's project at that park is still mostly industrial, parking lots or empty fields.

KC: 5x
St. Louis: 3x
Springfield: 1x

that's 9 stadiums or arenas that didn't lead to notable development around them.
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Probably worth noting that Legends is not at all an urban area, Springfield doesn't have a real "downtown" or enough people to make it significant, and Sprint Center does not have a major sports franchise. I think to compare the possibility of a downtown Royals stadium, you'd have to look to the most recent downtown stadiums in major metro areas that didn't already have a downtown stadium.

There aren't a ton of examples of stadiums that have been built lately in a downtown that didn't have downtown baseball already, but DC shows some of the development that can happen in concert with a stadium. Development halted, as with STL, during the recession, but is picking back up. Note the residential and the whole foods:

http://www.jdland.com/dc/visiting-nats- ... w=whatsnew

Obviously, that is a huge metro area. While economic development is largely tied to other factors, the residential gains can be important to an urban area. Also, stadiums tend to come with significant infrastructure upgrades attached. Target Field led to Target Field Station, which has won a number of urban design awards. If you are spending $500 million on a new stadium, suddenly a $100 million streetcar or commuter rail extension are easier to sell.
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What about Omaha and TD ameritrade park, a lot of new retail and restaurants have gone up as a result of that new downtown stadium.

Also, was Petco Park the main thing that kind of revitalized the GasLamp Quarter in SD?

Bricktown was kind of a result of the Ballpark and Arena being built down there

Tulsa is going under a little revitalization in its downtown and the BOK Center and the new AA stadium helped that
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Open air or retractable roof?
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