Mark Twain Tower going residential?

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by flyingember » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:53 am

taxi wrote: Perhaps he will only park historic cars in there.
Then when someone runs into the building they can be surprised when a car falls out.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by lock+load » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:18 am

Numerous mentions in the proposal of parts of the building which are inconsistent with a modern office building. Well maybe a modern office building is not its best use. There has to be a way to get that pool back into service in some capacity. Hotel, health club, residential, something.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by flyingember » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:53 am

What I remember is other developers couldn't find a way for it to work as an office building. It was just a bad design for that.

Suddenly this developer has this strange (at best) plan that somehow does work?

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by pash » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:55 am

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by JBmidtown » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:46 pm

What happens if they get all the tax credits and go-aheads they want? There's got to be a way to stop such destruction of a historic building

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by Eon Blue » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:31 pm

Word on Twitter is that a decision was delayed.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by moderne » Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:42 pm

I hope they bring back the old name of the building.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by chaglang » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:12 pm

In an interview in the BizJournal, there was mention by the developer or the developer's architect that there will actually be six floors of parking in the building, getting historic tax credits shouldn't be a problem, and the whole project isn't that big of a deal.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by JBmidtown » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:30 pm

This is very frustrating

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:48 pm

JBmidtown wrote:This is very frustrating
the council doesn't have to take the EDC's recommendations on incentives. it also has to get through city planning first.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:38 pm

Eventually, (maybe soon) the downtown market will be able to stand alone without incentives. The council better get a plan in place because when that happens, the city would have no recourse to deny a terrible project like this one. The developer would just go without the incentives and do what they want.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:45 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:Eventually, (maybe soon) the downtown market will be able to stand alone without incentives. The council better get a plan in place because when that happens, the city would have no recourse to deny a terrible project like this one. The developer would just go without the incentives and do what they want.
other than modifying the existing zoning (DC-15) to require transparency, which is in progress now...

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:02 pm

So, the owner of the P&L could decide to remove the lights on top and replace it with a helicopter pad and the city would have no recourse? We have building codes in place for any new construction or refurbishment. We can't put into the code a predevelopment plan that requires approval by a board representing the interests of the citizenry?

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Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:05 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:So, the owner of the P&L could decide to remove the lights on top and replace it with a helicopter pad and the city would have no recourse? We have building codes in place for any new construction or refurbishment. We can't put into the code a predevelopment plan that requires approval by a board representing the interests of the citizenry?
i doubt a helipad is allowed.

most people don't want a design review incorporated into the development process. they tend to go awry. best to just make the requirements in advance and hope staff does their job.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:30 pm

DaveKCMO wrote: i doubt a helipad is allowed.
Cause that'd be ridiculous.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by KCDowntown » Wed May 20, 2015 11:47 am

I'm not sure of the implications, but it appears, for now, that the Codes Department is denying the developer's request for turning the bottom 6 floors into parking because the aisle widths are too narrow.

Staff Report I found in Kiva

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by flyingember » Wed May 20, 2015 1:10 pm

I'd like to think of it this way

the developer believes they can only fill the units at their preferred rates with a certain number of parking spots. The city denied the skinnier aisle widths required to fit that many spots in. So in some manner the developer has to go back and rethink the project. It's possible the bank is demanding a certain number of spots per unit to give a loan so this could potentially change the ability for the project to move forward.

Alternatively that amount of parking is really not required and they're just trying to get away with ignoring codes.

If it is required and they want to move forward they need to find alternatives. But if they can find alternatives, why would they not use those six floors for tenants and put all the parking there?

I doubt it's the case but I would love this to be the city and developer working together on a stupid bank requirement to get this bank to start taking no parking development seriously. That this really is the best project to get a conversion of this building and the developer knew they were never getting approved by the city.

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by DaveKCMO » Mon May 25, 2015 7:47 am

looks like a good project for a "developer in the public interest". a parking-free mixed use redevelopment taking advantage of historic tax credits!

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Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by loftguy » Tue May 26, 2015 8:49 am

I would not take on a zero parking provided apartment development of more than a handful of units.

We are not there yet.

edit: It may take a public-private partnership (with the public carrying the risk) to do so, and prove the viability.

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