OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Issues concerning Downtown as described by the Downtown Council. River to 31st Street, I-35 to Bruce R. Watkins.
Post Reply
User avatar
grovester
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 4627
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:30 pm
Location: KC Metro

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by grovester »

Can't believe I posted that, the whole thing is ridiculous.
User avatar
chaglang
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4132
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:44 pm

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by chaglang »

I think this is the 5th floor ballroom, The Sawyer Room:

Image
User avatar
WSPanic
Supporter
Posts: 3817
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:57 pm

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by WSPanic »

chaglang wrote:I think this is the 5th floor ballroom, The Sawyer Room:

Image
I used to have a desk in relatively tasteful cubicle farm in that room. The acoustics weren't really great for office work.
pash
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 3800
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:47 am

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by pash »

.
Last edited by pash on Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Eon Blue
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1141
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:28 pm
Location: Downtown KCMO

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by Eon Blue »

chaglang wrote:I think this is the 5th floor ballroom, The Sawyer Room:

Image
IDK, I look at that ballroom and think that it could be so much more...

http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/2011/04 ... ng-garage/
User avatar
FangKC
City Hall
City Hall
Posts: 18867
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:02 pm
Location: Old Northeast -- Indian Mound

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by FangKC »

I don't think they say anything about using historic tax credits in the EDC document.

If you don't use any historic tax credits in a renovation, even if the building is on the National Register, you don't have to adhere to restoration standards of the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

However, if they alter the building too much, it could lose its' designation on the National Register.
pash
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 3800
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:47 am

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by pash »

.
Last edited by pash on Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
FangKC
City Hall
City Hall
Posts: 18867
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:02 pm
Location: Old Northeast -- Indian Mound

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by FangKC »

Just because someone applies through the EDC for subsidies doesn't mean the City will approve them.

I would hope the City Council would realize what hell would be raised if some developer put a redevelopment plan forth asking for subsidies that caused a listed building to lose its' historic status.

It's one thing if a developer does it with their own money. It's quite another thing if they are asking for subsidies to do it. The City can always say "no."

There are very few larger buildings left to redevelop downtown. That building is a prime candidate for residential, since demand is so high for that downtown. I would hope the City would realize this, and say no to any plan that caused a building to lose historic status.
Last edited by FangKC on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:13 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
FangKC
City Hall
City Hall
Posts: 18867
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:02 pm
Location: Old Northeast -- Indian Mound

Re: OFFICIAL - The Continental Apartments (former Mark Twain Tower)

Post by FangKC »

Mark Twain Tower, River Market projects seek abatements

http://tinyurl.com/pnwj2ju
loftguy
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 3850
Joined: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:12 pm

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by loftguy »

FangKC wrote:Loftguy will probably know.
Yep. This is a Gary Hassenflu proposal.
lock+load
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4209
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:25 am
Location: brookside

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by lock+load »

Parking in the building is a terrible idea. Should be plenty in the garage next door.
mgh7676
Western Auto Lofts
Western Auto Lofts
Posts: 552
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:00 am

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by mgh7676 »

lock+load wrote:Parking in the building is a terrible idea. Should be plenty in the garage next door.
Would it be possible to just add levels to the garage next door? Parking seems to be such a huge issue for the Brookfield Building and the Mark Twain Tower...seems like a feasible idea to me.
flyingember
Mark Twain Tower
Mark Twain Tower
Posts: 9862
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by flyingember »

mgh7676 wrote:
lock+load wrote:Parking in the building is a terrible idea. Should be plenty in the garage next door.
Would it be possible to just add levels to the garage next door? Parking seems to be such a huge issue for the Brookfield Building and the Mark Twain Tower...seems like a feasible idea to me.
depends on how big the foundations and columns were built

it's doable with that if.
User avatar
Critical_Mass
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1001
Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:56 pm
Location: Union Hill

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by Critical_Mass »

This proposal came about a week and a half too early...would have been a funny April Fool's gag.
What an absolutely terrible idea!
Latest biz journal article (http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... ml?ana=twt) mentions that it's actually 6 levels of parking with the entrance cut into the facade on the NE corner off Baltimore. That would be right next to the existing entrance to the neighboring parking garage and directly across from the Missouri Bank garage entrance, completing the ultimate pedestrian experience on both sides of Baltimore.
lock+load
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4209
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:25 am
Location: brookside

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by lock+load »

This half baked plan does not warrant tax subsidies. Come back with a better plan.
flyingember
Mark Twain Tower
Mark Twain Tower
Posts: 9862
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by flyingember »

ha!
The parking would be accessed off of Baltimore Avenue through a new garage doorway cut into the northeast corner of the building, Reitzel said. He said a driveway would proceed from the entrance through what his now retail space occupied by Goodden Jewellers, with a circulation ramp allowing motorists to access higher levels.

"That's wonderful news," Rich Goodden said upon learning of the plan on Tuesday, but he didn't mean it.

Goodden said he moved his jewellery story to the Mark Twain Tower two years ago, has another eight years on his lease and likely won't give up the space without a legal challenge.
User avatar
KCPowercat
Ambassador
Posts: 34623
Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2002 12:49 pm
Location: Quality Hill
Contact:

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by KCPowercat »

Can the city help share parking in the garage that they supposedly can't get a long term deal with? Rick Usher was helping in the Cashew situation.
User avatar
FangKC
City Hall
City Hall
Posts: 18867
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:02 pm
Location: Old Northeast -- Indian Mound

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by FangKC »

The garage is owned by the Land Clearance Redevelopment Authority. I assume the garage was built in the first place to solve parking problems for neighboring property owners.

It would seem to me that certainly the City could help work out a deal, because the garage was built to solve this very problem.

I have a feeling that is not the problem. The problem is when a property owner wants to have dedicated parking spaces that they own, and that somehow makes luring tenants to their property more secure than just by renting spaces in a neighboring garage.
User avatar
FangKC
City Hall
City Hall
Posts: 18867
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:02 pm
Location: Old Northeast -- Indian Mound

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by FangKC »

Critical_Mass wrote:This proposal came about a week and a half too early...would have been a funny April Fool's gag.
What an absolutely terrible idea!
Latest biz journal article (http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... ml?ana=twt) mentions that it's actually 6 levels of parking with the entrance cut into the facade on the NE corner off Baltimore. That would be right next to the existing entrance to the neighboring parking garage and directly across from the Missouri Bank garage entrance, completing the ultimate pedestrian experience on both sides of Baltimore.
The article also mentions that Hassenflu might pursue historic tax credits. This will be interesting to watch seeing that he plans to rip out the interior of several floors and repurpose them as parking decks, as well as alter a part of the exterior facade to create an garage entrance.
User avatar
taxi
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2136
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:32 am
Location: S. Plaza

Re: Mark Twain Tower going residential?

Post by taxi »

FangKC wrote:
Critical_Mass wrote:This proposal came about a week and a half too early...would have been a funny April Fool's gag.
What an absolutely terrible idea!
Latest biz journal article (http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... ml?ana=twt) mentions that it's actually 6 levels of parking with the entrance cut into the facade on the NE corner off Baltimore. That would be right next to the existing entrance to the neighboring parking garage and directly across from the Missouri Bank garage entrance, completing the ultimate pedestrian experience on both sides of Baltimore.
The article also mentions that Hassenflu might pursue historic tax credits. This will be interesting to watch seeing that he plans to rip out the interior of several floors and repurpose them as parking decks, as well as alter a part of the exterior facade to create an garage entrance.
Perhaps he will only park historic cars in there.
Post Reply