Back-in angled parking

Post by **KCMax** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:34 am

The City Council is discussing an idea that would require parking in certain specific areas - probably either in the Crossroads or the River Market - to be back-angled parking. This is angled parking that is against the flow of traffic, requiring the driver to have to back into the parking space. The reason for this is that when drivers back out of normal angled parking spots, they have little visibility, and this causes accidents with bikers in the bike lane. They want to test back-angled parking in a high-bike area like the Crossroads or the River Market to see if it can be expanded. The goal is to eventually replace a lot of the parallel parking in the city to back-angled parking.

KCBike on Back-angle parking:

http://kcbike.info/documents/angle-parking/

PDF Report on back in/head out parking here:

http://www.hampdenhappenings.org/HCC_WE ... ncisco.pdf

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:47 am

pretty sure the area in front the brookside market was also being discussed as a pilot project.

Post by **dangerboy** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:27 pm

Two locations will be pilot projects for back-in angle parking:
1. Baltimore Avenue in the Crossroads
2. 62nd Terrace in front of Cosentino's

Existing head-in angle parking will be flipped and back-in will be tested to see if the world ends.

ComandanteCero · Post by **ComandanteCero** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:13 pm

this is pretty interesting news, I think this is worth its own thread.

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:44 pm

ComandanteCero wrote: this is pretty interesting news, I think this is worth its own thread.

done.

Post by **dangerboy** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:53 pm

If the two pilot tests go well, it will also be required on 5th Street in Columbus Park with Zimmer's redevelopment project. So far, every city that has tried it has kept it. Once you go back-in, you don't go back.

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:37 pm

here's an example from downtown st. louis:

taxi · Post by **taxi** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:08 pm

dangerboy wrote: If the two pilot tests go well, it will also be required on 5th Street in Columbus Park with Zimmer's redevelopment project. So far, every city that has tried it has kept it. Once you go back-in, you don't go back.

There has been quite a ruckus about the CP plan. While it's clear that everyone who has tried it has found it safer, some people just can't handle change. I won't mention Deb's name, but you might guess who some of them are.

grovester · Post by **grovester** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:39 pm

this sounds like a great license retention test

cdm2p · Post by **cdm2p** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:07 am

I've tried angle parking on a few projects and I am always baffled by the extra wide lanes that the traffic engineers want on the lane adjacent to the parking lane. Does anyone know if those extra lane width requirements would go away with this method?

I'm not surprised to hear there's opposition to it. The leadership in this town is baffling.

Post by **dangerboy** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:00 am

cdm2p wrote: I've tried angle parking on a few projects and I am always baffled by the extra wide lanes that the traffic engineers want on the lane adjacent to the parking lane. Does anyone know if those extra lane width requirements would go away with this method?

Yes, they go away for the most part.

Head-in requires a big buffer area between the parking and the travel lane - because drives have less visibility when backing into oncoming traffic. Back-in needs less of a buffer so the whole street can be narrower.

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:14 am

the city is finally moving forward with a pilot project for back-in angled parking along the west side of mcgee between truman and 20th.

FangKC · Post by **FangKC** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:31 am

I was looking at some European city on Google maps streetview and noticed they have this back-angled parking there.

If it is European, then it's socialist and must be stopped.

shinatoo · Post by **shinatoo** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:10 pm

FangKC wrote: I was looking at some European city on Google maps streetview and noticed they have this back-angled parking there.

If it is European, then it's socialist and must be stopped.

Obamapark

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:22 pm

DaveKCMO wrote: the city is finally moving forward with a pilot project for back-in angled parking along the west side of mcgee between truman and 20th.

re-striping of mcgee was completed yesterday. ribbon cutting at 2pm, tuesday, nov. 30! all are welcome!

mlind · Post by **mlind** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:44 pm

As someone who is spatially impaired, I can envision more than a few fender-benders.

loftguy · Post by **loftguy** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:36 pm

Heading to Brickfast on Saturday, I drove down the street and had a "what is wrong with these cars" experience, as I pulled along side the back in spaces. I really had to think about it, especially since someone had parked front first into one of the spaces. Either they drove into the space from north bound traffic or they pulled a hellacious u-turn to get into it.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:44 pm

loftguy wrote: Heading to Brickfast on Saturday, I drove down the street and had a "what is wrong with these cars" experience, as I pulled along side the back in spaces. I really had to think about it, especially since someone had parked front first into one of the spaces. Either they drove into the space from north bound traffic or they pulled a hellacious u-turn to get into the it.

I never cease to be amazed by the people who maneuver their cars to back into the head-in angle parking in the Cosentino's garage. What's the point?

studentper · Post by **studentper** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:54 am

driving by last night, about half the line of cars was pulled in head first.

LenexatoKCMO · Post by **LenexatoKCMO** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:10 am

studentper wrote: driving by last night, about half the line of cars was pulled in head first.

Yeah but what percentage of those were purple pickup trucks with central kansas plates?

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