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[ShowMeKC]

Would it be possible to expand Arrowhead's seating?

[im2kull]

Would it be possible to expand Arrowhead's seating?

yes...up or down...
you could fit rows down the the ground on the lower level..and im sure theres a way to build up some more or add another level...

[Beermo]

yes...up or down...
you could fit rows down the the ground on the lower level..and im sure theres a way to build up some more or add another level...

not a whole lot of room for seats on the down side. besides you wouldn't be able to see the action.

[eliphar17]

I'm impressed with their to- and from-commercial shots tonight during the game. Standard things like Plaza lights, but they also showed the Liberty Memorial, Crown Center ice rink, and even the new library downtown. They're not talking about any of them though.

[ShowMeKC]

Liberty Memorial wasn't live though, which kind of upset me. I was at the Plaza Lighting, and OTW (and back) I was amazed at how red Liberty Memorial is right now.

Well, i'll remove my rants since the games over and I'm calm again... Even my family is amazed at how I change  personalities during a Chiefs game...

[ddw334umkc]

Would it be possible to expand Arrowhead's seating?

Yes, it is possible.  In fact, they are going to move the coaches box and luxury suites from the club level to upstairs.  That empty space will be occupied with aproximately 1,500-2000 new seats.

[ShowMeKC]

Cool, would it be possible to add 10,000-20,000 more seats?
Those 1,500-2,000 new seats would make us the largest stadium (seats) in the NFL. It'd be great if we could push ourselves above 90,000 or even 100,000 seats.
The Cowboys could potentially expand their new stadium to 100,000 seats, I believe the Chiefs could be more successful with that many seats...

[phuqueue]

Cool, would it be possible to add 10,000-20,000 more seats?
Those 1,500-2,000 new seats would make us the largest stadium (seats) in the NFL. It'd be great if we could push ourselves above 90,000 or even 100,000 seats.
The Cowboys could potentially expand their new stadium to 100,000 seats, I believe the Chiefs could be more successful with that many seats...

KC is one of the smallest markets in the NFL, and Arrowhead is already one of the largest stadiums.  I have serious doubts about our ability to sell out a 100,000 seat stadium, especially on a regular basis.  Plus the general trend is toward smaller, not larger stadiums.  Fewer seats = higher ticket prices.  Chiefs tickets are already relatively expensive compared to the rest of the league because they keep selling out Arrowhead, and if they just add 1500-2000 seats, I imagine they can continue selling out and making even more money.  But expand to 90k or 100k, perhaps beyond the city's ability to keep selling out the stadium, and suddenly you can't really justify higher ticket prices.  The Chiefs themselves may not be so happy about making the stadium that much bigger.

That's assuming it's even possible, which I doubt very strongly that it is.  You're talking about a solid 25% increase in seating capacity, and I have no idea where you intend to put those seats.

[ddw334umkc]

KC is one of the smallest markets in the NFL, and Arrowhead is already one of the largest stadiums.  I have serious doubts about our ability to sell out a 100,000 seat stadium, especially on a regular basis.  Plus the general trend is toward smaller, not larger stadiums.  Fewer seats = higher ticket prices.  Chiefs tickets are already relatively expensive compared to the rest of the league because they keep selling out Arrowhead, and if they just add 1500-2000 seats, I imagine they can continue selling out and making even more money.  But expand to 90k or 100k, perhaps beyond the city's ability to keep selling out the stadium, and suddenly you can't really justify higher ticket prices.  The Chiefs themselves may not be so happy about making the stadium that much bigger.

That's assuming it's even possible, which I doubt very strongly that it is.  You're talking about a solid 25% increase in seating capacity, and I have no idea where you intend to put those seats.

Well, after witnessing the game last night (and past home games), I can't say that I would agree with your argument.

[GRID]

There will not be a net increase in seats at arrowhead, if anything, I think it's supposed to go down a bit.

[ShowMeKC]

One of the smallest markets? That is one of the dumbest statements i've heard this year. Explain to me why we are one of the largest stadiums, loudest stadiums, and one of the most sold out stadiums in football... Heck, in the recent past, we've led the NFL in average attendance. phuqueue, that is one of the dumbest statements i've ever heard.

Ah ok GRID, thats too bad. It shouldn't go down at all, especially considering we are a large NFL market.

Maybe in 30-40 years, we can rebuild Arrowhead at the TSC, or even at my personal favorite, the Isle of Capri Site, and increase it's seating capacity, and ability to be expanded.

[bbqboy]

One of the smallest markets? That is one of the dumbest statements i've heard this year. Explain to me why we are one of the largest stadiums, loudest stadiums, and one of the most sold out stadiums in football... Heck, in the recent past, we've led the NFL in average attendance. phuqueue, that is one of the dumbest statements i've ever heard.

Ah ok GRID, thats too bad. It shouldn't go down at all, especially considering we are a large NFL market.

Maybe in 30-40 years, we can rebuild Arrowhead at the TSC, or even at my personal favorite, the Isle of Capri Site, and increase it's seating capacity, and ability to be expanded.

We'll need a rollerball arena in 30-40 years. What makes you think folks will still be playing football?

[Brodees]

One of the smallest markets? That is one of the dumbest statements i've heard this year. Explain to me why we are one of the largest stadiums, loudest stadiums, and one of the most sold out stadiums in football... Heck, in the recent past, we've led the NFL in average attendance. phuqueue, that is one of the dumbest statements i've ever heard.

Ah ok GRID, thats too bad. It shouldn't go down at all, especially considering we are a large NFL market.

Maybe in 30-40 years, we can rebuild Arrowhead at the TSC, or even at my personal favorite, the Isle of Capri Site, and increase it's seating capacity, and ability to be expanded.

Market size isn't a measurement of stadium size or the fans' ability to fill it up and subsequently be loud.  It is represented by factors such as the size of the city's population, the revenues generated by large corporations that pay for sponsorships and luxury suites, and the capacity for television revenue, etc.  I'm not sure where we would rank exactly, but we are definitely on the smaller side.

[ShowMeKC]

I think of market as being the abilility to sell out a stadium, how many fans you have, etc...

By your definitions, I'm sure we are on the smaller side, yet our team still makes a lot of money, can afford good players, can constantly sell out the stadium, etc...

We will have to expand the stadium, or build one that is larger, right now we are metro area of 2 million, with an urbanized area of about 1.3 million. In 20-30 years, those numbers will be higher.

Some of you who are negative/pessimistic need to stop being so negative about things, no one is going to listen to you if you continue being so negative.

I also forgot to mention we were ranked 2nd in fan support last year. We have averaged 77,300 people per game in the past 10 years. Name another team that does that well. Also keeping in mind that the Chiefs are in the top 20 when it comes to money coming in for salaries.

I also do not believe we should immediately add 5,000-20,000 seats, it should be done gradually over time.

[phuqueue]

Well, after witnessing the game last night (and past home games), I can't say that I would agree with your argument.

There were 80,866 people last night (for a Thanksgiving divisional game with huge playoff implications, so it's not as if they were playing the Browns in September or something), which was the largest crowd since the stadium opened.  Certainly they could have filled a few more seats even beyond that, but do you really think that they're going to find a full 20,000 more people to fill the stadium week in and week out?

One of the smallest markets? That is one of the dumbest statements i've heard this year. Explain to me why we are one of the largest stadiums, loudest stadiums, and one of the most sold out stadiums in football... Heck, in the recent past, we've led the NFL in average attendance. phuqueue, that is one of the dumbest statements i've ever heard.

I think of market as being the abilility to sell out a stadium, how many fans you have, etc...

By your definitions, I'm sure we are on the smaller side, yet our team still makes a lot of money, can afford good players, can constantly sell out the stadium, etc...

KC, with a metro population a shade under 2 million and relatively few huge corporations (compared to lots of other cities), is definitely a small market.  We didn't suddenly become a bigger city when baseball season gave way to football season, nor does the NFL cater primarily to a bunch of mid-sized cities.  The biggest difference is in the NFL's economic system.  Extensive revenue sharing (way beyond what baseball does), plus lots of other money makers like national TV deals worth billions of dollars -- and all this money gets split up between the teams.  The Chiefs don't actually rank very high in total revenue; the Forbes list from 2004 (the most recent I can find without doing a lot of digging -- I'm feeling very lazy right now) ranks them 18th in the league.  The NFL salary cap this year is $102 million, and do you really think the Chiefs could afford to spend anything close to that if they weren't getting a ton of money from the NFL every year?  And before you answer -- keep in mind that in terms of gross numbers, more than twice as many people see the Royals every summer as go to Chiefs games (thanks to having ten times as many home games).  Lower ticket prices, granted (also a very rough comparison to be making in the first place, but I'm just trying to make a point here), but the fact remains that the ability to sell tickets is only one component, and definitely not the most significant, of a team's ability to make money.

[kcmetro]

Since when did they stop selling beer at halftime? I was standing in line to get a beer with my buddy at halftime and the woman said they weren't selling it anymore. It wasn't even the start of the 3rd quarter. Every other Chiefs game I've gone to I've been able to buy beer until the 4th quarter. Someone said something about it being because it was a night game. Not sure why that matters though.

[ShowMeKC]

phuq, you may want to do better research, we aren't under 2 million anymore...

Just because we are a medium sized city doesn't mean that we cannot make a ton of money for football and the Chiefs. Also, start reading my posts, I'm not talking about 10-20k now, I'm talking about 100k seats in 30-40 years... In 30-40 years we will likely be pushing a metro population of 3.5-4 million. Not to mention our urban core would be well over 2 million people, and KCMO could be somewhere between 600k and 800k people. (Experts said that it is possible that KC could reach 700k in 30-40 years.)

Right now, we couldn't support 100k, but we could support 85-90k seats.

[bbqboy]

phuq, you may want to do better research, we aren't under 2 million anymore...

Just because we are a medium sized city doesn't mean that we cannot make a ton of money for football and the Chiefs. Also, start reading my posts, I'm not talking about 10-20k now, I'm talking about 100k seats in 30-40 years... In 30-40 years we will likely be pushing a metro population of 3.5-4 million. Not to mention our urban core would be well over 2 million people, and KCMO could be somewhere between 600k and 800k people. (Experts said that it is possible that KC could reach 700k in 30-40 years.)

Right now, we couldn't support 100k, but we could support 85-90k seats.

[KansasCityChiefs]

If the rumor about them adding around 2,500 more seats with the renovations is true, I would say that's enough for now. Teams make their money from the expensive suites, not by adding more seats.

[ShowME]

Since when did they stop selling beer at halftime? I was standing in line to get a beer with my buddy at halftime and the woman said they weren't selling it anymore. It wasn't even the start of the 3rd quarter. Every other Chiefs game I've gone to I've been able to buy beer until the 4th quarter. Someone said something about it being because it was a night game. Not sure why that matters though.

All I know is where I was sitting(section 121) there were so many people that were wasted and the behavior was crazy.  I had 4 seats and went with two friends from LA and one from St. Louis.  We sat right behind a Miller Lite and Bud Lite beer stands and everytime we turned around women were showing us there tits(which I was fine with) or someone was being arrested and taken to the holding cell down the way near the concession stand.  I could only imagine if they sold beer till the 4th quarter what would of happened.