KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Transportation topics in KC
WoodDraw
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 902
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:53 pm

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby WoodDraw » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:49 pm

I know people hate when I post these, but I do it out of love.

Tried to take the streetcar again from 9th Street to Union station to catch a train on Friday. Almost no traffic on main Street. The sign says something like 23 minutes and 25 minutes to the next trains.

I started walking to Union station and got there without a single streetcar passing me. The last station said arriving but I looked behind and didn't see any street car.

The way back home worked better. We still stupidly stopped at a few lights to let one car go through for god knows what reason at night.

This really needs to be fixed. Oh, and there was a big sign saying every 10-15 minutes at the stop.

User avatar
DaveKCMO
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 15613
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:22 pm
Location: Crossroads
Contact:

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:35 am

Use the app if the signs seem wrong. It's more accurate. There may have been a blockage or a car taken out of service the moment your were waiting.

User avatar
beautyfromashes
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 3715
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:04 am

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby beautyfromashes » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:40 pm

Do we have an updated list for the directors election?

User avatar
grovester
Hotel President
Hotel President
Posts: 3463
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:30 pm
Location: KC Metro

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby grovester » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:11 pm


kboish
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2094
Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:25 am
Location: West Plaza

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby kboish » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:19 pm

Sherry DeJanes has filed a lawsuit attempting to prevent the election from going forward...

User avatar
DaveKCMO
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 15613
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:22 pm
Location: Crossroads
Contact:

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:21 pm

kboish wrote:Sherry DeJanes has filed a lawsuit attempting to prevent the election from going forward...


the lawsuit is specific to the new TDD, so please use this thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18833&start=1420

pash
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 3801
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:47 am

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby pash » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:32 pm

.
Last edited by pash on Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

flyingember
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 5966
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby flyingember » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:57 pm

If it's the one behind the truck, the block the sidewalk with it too.

A two for one deal

User avatar
KCPowercat
Power & Light
Power & Light
Posts: 27638
Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2002 12:49 pm
Location: Quality Hill
Contact:

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:49 am

Comment from Facebook on the wreck

"A nice clean bus pulled up, driver opened the door and yelled 'this is the streetcar'"

Can we get that to be the new audio announcement at each stop? Lol

chingon
Hotel President
Hotel President
Posts: 3313
Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:47 pm
Location: South Plaza

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby chingon » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:42 am

God, I love bus drivers.

User avatar
DaveKCMO
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 15613
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:22 pm
Location: Crossroads
Contact:

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:09 am

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... costs.html

Four years ago, Clarkson was part of another hometown team, Kiewit-Clarkson Infrastructure Co., that was the second-place bidder for the job of construction manager at risk on another high-profile Kansas City project: the streetcar starter line.

In the wake of a selection committee recommendation of a bid from a joint venture that included St. Joseph heavy contractor Herzog Contracting Corp. and California rail builder Stacy and Witbeck Inc., the Kiewit-Clarkson team argued that the out-of-town bid was not the “lowest and best” because of the city’s “failure to properly score” the competing bids.

In addition, some members of the City Council complained that the hometown streetcar development team had been slighted.

On Thursday, however, Clarkson said in retrospect that “we got beat fair and square, I imagine.”

flyingember
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 5966
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby flyingember » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:13 am

flyingember wrote:This was opening year 2015 ridership forecasts but it's still interesting how conservative the numbers are.

3rd/Grand 51
5th/Walnut 43
4th/Delaware 25
8th/Main 208
10th/Main 499
12th/Main 811
14th/Main 248
16th/Main 84
18th/Main 141
20th/Main 243
Union Station 333
Total 2,686

Look at 5th/Walnut. that's the city market stop. That's 15695 riders in the first year at this stop.

There's 19656 hours of coverage over the course of this year. Already this stop is only expected to have 80% usage of the stop at the very most.

It's very clear that most the usage on the system for this one stop will be from 9am to 3pm on Saturday and Sunday from April to October. (31 weeks) Using the long end on frequency of three trains per hour let's assume that half the usage of the year for this stop is on those 62 days, or 7847 riders.

So that's 36 trains going by each day for half the yearly usage of this stop. 7847 riders on 1116 trains. That's 0.14 riders per train stopping there during peak weekend market hours. That seems very low.

The numbers get interesting is for the rest of the year there's 3138 people with 19193 trains to serve them. There's not going to be a system capacity problem most of the day at the city market. There's TONS of room for TOD development.

This will become the defining location when pointing out how you can add thousands of residents and customers to an area with no new parking nearby.

This is worth revisiting as the system reaches 3 million rides soon.

Here's the first year report the new numbers came from
http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... rt-web.pdf

This is the average daily use with each NB and SB stop averaged. To compare to old I took 18th stop that wasn't built and distributed half each to the 19th and 16th St stops.
The percentage is the difference between the original forecast and actual use.

City Market 504- 988%
River Market North 467- 1085%
River Market West 379- 1515%
North Loop NB 50- 24%
Library 166- 33%
Metro 246- 30%
Power & Light 301- 121%
Kauffman 141- 91%
Crossroads 208- 66%
Union Station 1350- 405%
Total: 4923- 183%

User avatar
KCPowercat
Power & Light
Power & Light
Posts: 27638
Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2002 12:49 pm
Location: Quality Hill
Contact:

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:54 am

The absence of sending out dash video of 801 crash makes me think the blame isn't as cut and dry as the vehicle crash last year.

flyingember
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 5966
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby flyingember » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:04 pm

KCPowercat wrote:The absence of sending out dash video of 801 crash makes me think the blame isn't as cut and dry as the vehicle crash last year.

Why does who's at fault have to play a part?

it's more likely someone filled out the right paperwork to get a copy. Wasn't it first made available by the media?

User avatar
KCPowercat
Power & Light
Power & Light
Posts: 27638
Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2002 12:49 pm
Location: Quality Hill
Contact:

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:28 pm

Streetcar posted it like the next morning.

User avatar
smh
Broadway Square
Broadway Square
Posts: 2677
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:40 pm
Location: Central Loop

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby smh » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:51 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Streetcar posted it like the next morning.


They did? I can't seem to find it.

User avatar
KCPowercat
Power & Light
Power & Light
Posts: 27638
Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2002 12:49 pm
Location: Quality Hill
Contact:

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:55 pm


User avatar
smh
Broadway Square
Broadway Square
Posts: 2677
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:40 pm
Location: Central Loop

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby smh » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:41 pm

KCPowercat wrote:https://twitter.com/41actionnews/status/736375125369597952


Oh, my bad. I thought you were referring to last week's incident. That video of that kid is great though. It's like, man, we have the video.

WoodDraw
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 902
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:53 pm

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby WoodDraw » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:10 pm

It takes like 15 seconds to FOIA it. I'll do it if no one has. but I assume someone at the star has.

User avatar
grovester
Hotel President
Hotel President
Posts: 3463
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:30 pm
Location: KC Metro

Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby grovester » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:23 pm

Curious whether it is inconclusive if the camera is front facing but the damage was at the side. Sure it will all come out, normal life in a big city.


Return to “Kansas City Transportation”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 6 guests