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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:36 am

But many do run well past 10pm ....Seems streetcar should get lined up with the rest of our transit hours at minimum.

if nothing else shouldn't the streetcar stick to the holiday hours posted on the website?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby FangKC » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:40 pm

Kansas City's streetcar, which began service in 2016, is considered a success. Could it work in Omaha?

On a sunny Wednesday afternoon in November, people filled a shiny streetcar as it hummed through downtown Kansas City, Missouri.

Most of the 38 blue plastic seats were occupied. Several dozen more people stood. They held onto stainless steel poles, or to loops dangling from bars connected to the ceiling. Office workers talked about their lunch plans. Field-tripping high school students chattered.

Retirees Ona Ashley and her real-bearded Santa Claus husband, Roy Poe, took it all in as they stood in the middle of the crowd. They had driven in from the suburbs to try Kansas City’s new RideKC streetcar. They smiled through their glide through a revived downtown.

“It’s wonderful,” Ashley said.

“We would have loved to have this when we worked downtown,” Poe said.

“It feels,” Ashley said, “like we are progressing.”


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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby gfenn11 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:18 pm

I'm assuming that we haven't had as many issues as Cincy has had with their CAF cars? It sounds like it will be an interesting thing to keep an eye on since they're withholding payments ($4 mil) and refusing to officially take ownership of the cars.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/01/18/streetcar-doesnt-work-cold-now-what/1044102001/

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/downtown/2018/01/19/cincinnati-streetcar-while-not-service-crashes-and-derails/1049752001/

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:26 pm

gfenn11 wrote:I'm assuming that we haven't had as many issues as Cincy has had with their CAF cars? It sounds like it will be an interesting thing to keep an eye on since they're withholding payments ($4 mil) and refusing to officially take ownership of the cars.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/01/18/streetcar-doesnt-work-cold-now-what/1044102001/


moved your post to the correct thread.

KC is simply managing it better than cincinnati. same vehicle, same parts. cincinnati just can't seem to get out of their own way on the project. having a mayor who campaigned against the streetcar (and actively tried to shut it down during construction) certainly doesn't help.

in addition to the vehicle, they have problems we aren't having (complete lack of signal priority, tracks intentionally blocked by city fire/police, messed up ticket vending machines, no clear focus on expansion) which makes their whole discussion much more problematic and controversial.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:12 pm

So there aren't true design problems as they state?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:18 pm

KCPowercat wrote:So there aren't true design problems as they state?


the part (compressor) has flaws and does fail in very cold weather. the manufacturer is addressing it. should be noted that the reason CAF has a different compressor for cincy and KC is because of federal "buy america" requirements (the international version is, of course, probably reliable).

KC took ownership of the cars, but has an extended warranty. buying two extra cars helped.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:05 am

Thanks for the details.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby flyingember » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:19 am

KCPowercat wrote:So there aren't true design problems as they state?

The Jan 18th article isn't very good reporting overall, from the first paragraph of the piece.

They didn't get the country the trains were in made correct.

Their trains were delayed at the New York plant that also held up Houston, Kansas City and Amtrak around the same time. And the same newsroom did a piece in 2015 about this so they should know this was wrong.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby tower » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:51 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:So there aren't true design problems as they state?


the part (compressor) has flaws and does fail in very cold weather. the manufacturer is addressing it. should be noted that the reason CAF has a different compressor for cincy and KC is because of federal "buy america" requirements (the international version is, of course, probably reliable).

KC took ownership of the cars, but has an extended warranty. buying two extra cars helped.


Oooorrr, Cincy's streetcar is cursed https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics-extra/2018/01/22/px-cincinnatis-streetcar-cursed-heres-what-bible-scholar-psychic-have-say/1054763001/

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:56 pm

the mayor has simply soured the entire cincinnati conversation. every time they have an issue, it turns hyper-political.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:58 pm

Timing is everything. Funk would have done the same here

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:05 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Timing is everything. Funk would have done the same here


funk was mayor until may 2011, streetcar conversation started in august 2009:

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:02 pm

Right but if he was here around construction time he would have done his best to muck up the conversation

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Postby Highlander » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:32 pm

"As new apartment buildings open and the streetcar expands, more people — and their cars — will trickle into the River Market. But City Market tenants hope their customers won’t have to pay for the area’s growth."

Is this true? It seems like as more apartments are built downtown, the RM and the Crossroads, the streetcar and not the renter's personal cars, will bring new customers to the City Market.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar ... 99479.html

On another side of town, wouldn't the Plaza see the same kind of thing as the City Market is now seeing? Ample free parking along a streetcar route to downtown. Wonder what would keep people from parking on the plaza and commuting downtown - or - taking the streetcar from the plaza downtown during events at Sprint Arena or just to have night out. I mean, if I lived in Brookside, that's something I'd definitely consider.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:47 am

Plaza has a lot of excess off-street parking, especially on weekday mornings. It’s something we know they’re concerned about, but will be a net gain since they will inevitably see increased sales or rents post-streetcar.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby flyingember » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:25 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:Plaza has a lot of excess off-street parking, especially on weekday mornings. It’s something we know they’re concerned about, but will be a net gain since they will inevitably see increased sales or rents post-streetcar.

Except for around Christmas when they need more parking capacity. I've been there in early December at 2pm and found their parking garages 95% full. The other time is the Plaza Art Fair when you can't build enough parking for the numbers that show up.

The streetcar will benefit them these times even more than using it for commuters the rest of the year.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby taxi » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:59 pm

As a resident of Columbus Park, I've seen many times that people here want all the benefits that come with growth, but are not willing to make any sacrifices or pay for it. This is especially true among my older neighbors, who are against any increase in density and the reason is almost always parking. And, ironically, taxes.

I went to a South Plaza neighborhood association meeting in March before the last streetcar election and, among the 20 or so people there, I'm pretty sure I was the only pro expansion to UMKC person. Every one of them that spoke thinks that people will come from all over KC and park everywhere on the streets of their neighborhood and get on the streetcar and they will never be able to find a parking spot. And I'd wager, like my CP neighbors, the ones who are most vocal about this have their own driveways and usually garages. None of them seem to be aware of any benefits they might get from it and the older residents have a deep distrust of the city government and are certain the streetcar will cause their taxes to increase, even if they are not within the TDD taxing zone.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby missingkc » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:11 pm

I fear that KC still suffers from the Pendergast legacy.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby Critical_Mass » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:51 pm

Recently, the late-morning commute on the streetcar has had about a 10:1 ratio of hobo to non-hobo riders. It's a hotbox of stanky-ness.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Postby DaveKCMO » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:03 pm

Shorter wait times took effect today (six days per week) due to in shorter layovers at US and improved signal coordination. This results in 144% more service hours per week of 10-minute headways:

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