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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by FangKC » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:39 pm

I think I heard on the local news this past week that July's First Friday weekend ridership was over 76,000. Does that sound right, Dave?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:48 pm

FangKC wrote:I think I heard on the local news this past week that July's First Friday weekend ridership was over 76,000. Does that sound right, Dave?
http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... ership.pdf
For the week of July 2 – 8, 2018, the KC Streetcar recorded its highest weekly ridership to date with
78,998 rides. On Friday, July 6, 2018, which also happened to be a First Friday in downtown Kansas City
from the Crossroads District to the City Market, the KC Streetcar recorded its highest daily ridership to
date with a total of 19,181 rides. That is nearly 2,000 more rides than the previous day of May 6, 2017,
which had a daily ridership total of 17,267.
19,181 is almost the total all-day capacity of what we had running that day (four vehicles from 4-9pm, three the remainder of the day). In short, every vehicle was full on almost every run, all day long.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by mykn » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:25 pm

Nobody uses the streetcar, it’s too crowded.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by FangKC » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:55 pm

For comparison sake, what is the average daily and weekly ridership for the bus system?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:10 pm

FangKC wrote:For comparison sake, what is the average daily and weekly ridership for the bus system?
https://kcstat.kcmo.org/Public-Infrastr ... 3dqr/about


The entire bus system has annual ridership 8x the streetcar

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by Critical_Mass » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:13 am

Shelters being added to North Loop: https://cityscenekc.com/new-streetcar-s ... loop-stop/

DaveKCMO-- is there any hope for revisiting w/ the 1 KC Place property owner to get a shelter installed at SB Metro Center?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:50 am

Critical_Mass wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:13 am
Shelters being added to North Loop: https://cityscenekc.com/new-streetcar-s ... loop-stop/

DaveKCMO-- is there any hope for revisiting w/ the 1 KC Place property owner to get a shelter installed at SB Metro Center?
Probably not until the ownership changes.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by earthling » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:07 am

^Odd current owners don't want it as when it rains some shelter directly along the building.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:56 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:39 am
JBmidtown wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:
FY20 budget will reflect increased service for the additional cars, so two years delivery.
So, fall of 2019?
probably. as before, there are penalties for the manufacturer being late.
We’re getting close to the one year countdown on the new trains.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:25 pm

Five million rides.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by smh » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:28 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:25 pm
Five million rides.
Yeah but i heard they counted people twice when they took a return journey. /s

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:00 pm

smh wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:28 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:25 pm
Five million rides.
Yeah but i heard they counted people twice when they took a return journey. /s
Of worst yet, go two places using it and get counted four times.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by earthling » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:48 pm

Summer ridership compared to last year..
JUNE 2018: 223,877 | JUNE 2017: 217,129
JULY 2018: 262,593 | JULY 2017: 230,925
AUG. 2018: 221,898 | AUG. 2017: 199,516

http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... ership.pdf

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by cityscape » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:53 pm

earthling wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:48 pm
Summer ridership compared to last year..
JUNE 2018: 223,877 | JUNE 2017: 217,129
JULY 2018: 262,593 | JULY 2017: 230,925
AUG. 2018: 221,898 | AUG. 2017: 199,516

http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... ership.pdf
Great numbers. Curious if the 2 new cars they're adding will increase the numbers even further. Anyone have good insight into the expectations once the 2 additional cars are added?

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by earthling » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:11 pm

More cars running at same time with shorter wait times might grab more that just go to the next stop vs walking. I usually walk in those cases if not seeing a streetcar but will wait for it if not far from stop.

And of course during busiest packed periods/events, it should usually mean more riders per hour. Probably some exceptions where it won't make a difference. Supply/demand factors for the day. And of course more events, hotels and growing population will impact usage.

BTW I was in Atlanta recently and downtown streetcar was completely dead at lunch time now that they charge to use. Was free at first.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:33 pm

I would expect the system will be easier to ride for about a year and then quickly return to being packed.
The convention hotel alone would only need to hit ~20% usage on average and that's about a train full of riders. With all the projects coming they all will add up quickly.

If this keeps up don't be surprised if the system runs five trains full time not because they want to but in order to keep up with demand.

One big thing that hopefully changes over time is to not have the train fill at Union Station to the point you can't get on at later stops. Increasing the weekend parking costs there is probably needed and move to a validation system based on purchase. Would help spread the load out more.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by earthling » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:28 am

Would think at this point if any month has lower ridership than previous year it would be due to fewer events for the month, bad weather or operational issues. The steady rise of downtown population and hotel rooms should otherwise increase ridership, more streetcars added or not.

Would be interesting to see study on scooter impact. It streetcars were not free to ride, would think scooters would hurt ridership. But given streetcar free, does scooter presence complement or compete with streetcar? Would think a little bit of both and mostly cancels out impact. When streetcar extends to UMKC, would expect scooters to complement streetcar more than compete.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:16 am

Using my own personal scooter rides....which aren't a lot

6....went well beyond where streetcar would go now or future
3...had a choice between two and took scooter due to timing and ability to drop at door of destination
3...pure joy ride

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by flyingember » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:36 pm

New photos of 805 and 806

https://twitter.com/kcstreetcar/status/ ... 9402377216

Says delivery mid 2019. That sounds like June to September to me, which is in line with expectations.

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Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar

Post by DaveKCMO » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:29 pm

September 2018 beats September 2017:

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