Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

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How will you vote on Chastain's LRT proposal?

I will vote Yes!
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56%
I will vote No!
38
26%
I don't vote!
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6%
I don't live in KCMO
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12%
 
Total votes: 144

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby flyingember » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:22 pm

And Q2 is dead. As expected turnout mattered.

need to see precinct data, but it looks like the anti-transit east side came out en mass for the minimum wage item and voted down the train.

Bodes poorly for the airport.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:04 pm

https://twitter.com/KCMikeMahoney/statu ... 0892801024

Transit activist Clay Chastain launches ‘Green Transit Systewm’ petition drive. Continue 3/8 sales tax now used for ATA system for another 25 years for more energy efficient streetcars and rail system. Wants a 2018 vote

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby WoodDraw » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:23 pm

Ffs.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby swid » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:26 pm

Clay Chastain is the local performance-art version of Groundhog Day.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby kboish » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:32 pm

swid wrote:Clay Chastain is the local performance-art version of Groundhog Day.


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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby ldai_phs » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:36 pm

If only he(or others) proposed city-wide plans that can actually be implemented.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby kcjak » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:48 pm

In today's political climate, the only way this passes is if the transit system is powered by coal.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby ldai_phs » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:25 pm

Well, it is electricity.............

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:44 pm

KCRTA learned a big lesson in August 2017: Chastain is poison, no matter how salvageable his plan may appear. No one should sign this petition, and no one should vote for it should it make to the ballot.

I thought the election board had revoked his KCMO voter registration? He must have someone else triggering the petition (Richard Tolbert?) and collecting signatures -- you have to be a registered KCMO voter to do both.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby tower » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:14 pm

This is stupid af, but I'll probably still vote for it or abstain.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:19 pm

tower wrote:This is stupid af, but I'll probably still vote for it or abstain.


Please abstain.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby tower » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:32 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
tower wrote:This is stupid af, but I'll probably still vote for it or abstain.


Please abstain.


I probably will. Unfortunately, he'll probably keep coming back with proposals even if no one votes for him.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby Highlander » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:34 am

DaveKCMO wrote:KCRTA learned a big lesson in August 2017: Chastain is poison, no matter how salvageable his plan may appear.


They should have asked me. Could have saved them the pain of learning through experience.

Chastain's reappearance doesn't surprise me in the slightest. He will do this until he is too old to do it any longer but will never gain any traction in KC.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby Riverite » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:32 am

Booo Chastain, is there any legal way to get him to stop. He is poisining chances for legitimate transport

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby flyingember » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:21 am

Riverite wrote:Booo Chastain, is there any legal way to get him to stop. He is poisining chances for legitimate transport

Nope. Petitions are the kind of thing that you can't stop someone from submitting. It's like running for office. We need to be able to have any yahoo submit a petition because there's no way to draw a line that doesn't cause problems

The issue here isn't the petition, it's that he's allowed to associate with people in KC who could submit a petition even if he couldn't.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby Highlander » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:05 pm

flyingember wrote:
Riverite wrote:Booo Chastain, is there any legal way to get him to stop. He is poisining chances for legitimate transport

Nope. Petitions are the kind of thing that you can't stop someone from submitting. It's like running for office. We need to be able to have any yahoo submit a petition because there's no way to draw a line that doesn't cause problems

The issue here isn't the petition, it's that he's allowed to associate with people in KC who could submit a petition even if he couldn't.


I don't mind the petition process but I disagree in that there are plenty of ways to draw lines. Here are changes that I think are desperately needed.

1) Increase the threshold it takes to get a petition passed. I cannot remember what the percentage of votes from the last election is but its ridiculously small. KC has to undergo threats from mob rule every year as a result.

2) If trying to implement an idea, the idea has to be feasible (e.g., Clay Chastain must provide information to prove his transit system can be built with proposed funding before it can be placed on the ballot).

3) If the petitioners have been deemed to mislead the public, the petition is no longer valid.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby WoodDraw » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:14 pm

Yeah, all they have to do is change the charter. I think STL requires a certain percentage of registered voters, not just of those that voted in off year elections. That seems like a reasonable compromise.

Allowing pre-election legal review would be smart too, but you'd have to get that passed the MO supreme court.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby DaveKCMO » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:01 am

Highlander wrote:1) Increase the threshold it takes to get a petition passed. I cannot remember what the percentage of votes from the last election is but its ridiculously small. KC has to undergo threats from mob rule every year as a result.


This should be a relatively light lift, you just need the Council to act and get the charter question in front of voters. The current requirement is 5% of turnout in the last mayoral election (current threshold: 1,708 signatures). Up the percentage or require that signatures be gathered in all six districts (similar to a statewide petition initiative). Right now a petitioner can gather signatures in one place.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby WoodDraw » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:47 pm

gondolas again lol

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:51 pm

WoodDraw wrote:gondolas again lol


And they'll only carry four people each. WTF?

Also, he seeks to steal the 3/8-cent bus tax that funds 40% of current service. His August 2017 plan didn't do that, so this sounds like a 2006 redux (the only plan that passed).

Again, I beg of you all do not sign and do not vote yes. We have momentum with streetcar and are on the cusp of a regional investment (which this is not).


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