Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

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How will you vote on Chastain's LRT proposal?

I will vote Yes!
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56%
I will vote No!
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27%
I don't vote!
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I don't live in KCMO
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Total votes: 145

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by lock+load » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:05 pm

GRID wrote:I see no problem here other than the city council and kcata and marc not having a clue.


Not exactly a minor obstacle.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by kard » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:08 pm

markf wrote:Is there a website that has all the details of this plan?


Lynne Horsley had an article on Saturday that went in to a bit of detail, although not in to route specifics.  There's also some info about the tax.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascit ... 914492.htm
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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by staubio » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:15 pm

tat2kc wrote:You've also voted to cut funding to the ATA.  Thank God I don't rely on the bus for work or social activities. I'd be worried.


I do and I'm not worried.  This tax was going to expire anyway.  Clay's plan includes busses and there isn't any reason we can't get started with the busses to augment the budget.  We've now got a 25 year tax commitment to transit in place of a dwindling one that basically was put out to prevent cuts in things like Sunday service.

It is going to be okay.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by sethyg » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:23 pm

An idea of what a gondola might look like...  :(

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Post by KCMax » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:24 pm

markf wrote:Is there a website that has all the details of this plan?


Here's the route (courtesy of Bahua):

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by kard » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:28 pm

sethyg wrote:An idea of what a gondola might look like...  :(


I'd rather see a Funicular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funicular
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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by chingon » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:29 pm

amen.  we have secured 25 years of funding for a transit system which (if implemented even partially) will drastically boost ridership, serve more commuters, and carries withit a score of both tangible and intangible fringe benefits, like economic growth, greater civic pride (or rather less civic shame), easier access to tourist attractions, and better connectivity within the city.  i have no qualms about reduction in bus service for the minimal segment of the population who use it if the trade off is better transit options for more people.  i fail to see how a(n almost guaranteed) net increase in public transportation usage is an unacceptable 'consequence' of overhauling a failed service.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by anniewarbucks » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:32 pm

I love the route. This is one of the routes that I had in mind when I first read this thread. I am wanting to see a rendering of the gondola system too.
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Post by Paintfumes » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:36 pm

Back then the city needed lightrail to spur up development in certain areas of Kansas City. Since the development is already happening, Kansas City dosen't need lightrail. The purpose of lightrail was to direct and re-direct development.

Who would of thought condos were the solution to development?
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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by midtown guy » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:42 pm

Paintfumes wrote:Back then the city needed lightrail to spur up development in certain areas of Kansas City. Since the development is already happening, Kansas City dosen't need lightrail. The purpose of lightrail was to direct and re-direct development.

Who would of thought condos were the solution to development?





Seems like the purpose of the lightrail would be to haul the people who now live in this area BECAUSE of the development to different places in the city that are also developed in a comfortable environment that is also environmentally friendly...

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by KCMax » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:46 pm

Jim Oberstar will be the new House Chair on Transportation. He's from the Twin Cities and has pushed hard to fund Amtrak service and refurbish St. Paul's Union Station into a transit hub.

Daniel Inouye of Hawaii will be the Senate Chair on Commerce, Science and Transportation. He's also the ranking member of the Surface Transportation and Merchant Marine Subcommittee.

Assuming Pelosi and Reid let the ranking members become chairs.
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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by LenexatoKCMO » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:49 pm

How long do you guys figure that we will have to wait for City hall to get the balls to comment about this (besides Eddy)?

Madame Barnes do you have anything to say?

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by BigBill33 » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:56 pm

kucer wrote:According to a mailing I got last week, I believe it is only a paper napkin somewhere....





Is there a website or documentation of the exact plan?  That would truly help.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by BigBill33 » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:58 pm

KCK wrote:It is so funny reading all of the old posts. Everyone was certain this would fail.




True, but it's not set in stone yet, that KC will indeed have light rail in the near future.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by trailerkid » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:14 pm

Dr. Moonlight wrote:I voted for this, but I never expected to pass.  I'm still not completely sold on several major aspects of the plan, but I wanted the city leaders to get the message that we want a more complete transit system in Kansas City;


Transit planners and civic leaders have a much lower expectation than the pubic for reliable mass transit. The public wants it to happen and will pay for it. Now get your heads out of your asses and respect the public mandate no matter how much harder it will make your job.

Way to go, KC! I would've paid money to see the looks on the faces of the ultra-conservative regional transit planning crowd this morning. 

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by Burton » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:15 pm

Paintfumes wrote:Back then the city needed lightrail to spur up development in certain areas of Kansas City. Since the development is already happening, Kansas City dosen't need lightrail. The purpose of lightrail was to direct and re-direct development.

Who would of thought condos were the solution to development?




You serious Clarke?

There's a reason it's called Mass TRANSIT. Light-Rail is for moving people around. You're right, the development has already begun without it, but with it we now have an efficient way of getting people to and from the development. The future T.O.D.'s that spur off the Light-Rail line is just an added bonus.

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:17 pm

I havent deleted anybodys comments.  not how i operate.  might talk to the active admin bahua
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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by bahua » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:34 pm

I haven't deleted any of your comments since you went away back in April or March.

This was for Paintfumes, who asked why his posts were being deleted. Unfortunately, someone deleted the post to which I was responding.
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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by chrizow » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:41 pm

i still don't understand why it is desirable to have the train go down Broadway.  why not SW Trfcwy or Main (where it could link up with union station somehow). 

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Re: Clay Chastain coming back with light rail

Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:55 pm

chrizow wrote:i still don't understand why it is desirable to have the train go down Broadway.  why not SW Trfcwy or Main (where it could link up with union station somehow). 


i think it does connect to US...

...Broadway Boulevard, along the high ridge in Penn Valley Park to the junction of Kessler Road and Pershing Road, the west side of Union Station’s Carriage House...


this system would not be able to use the existing heavy rail tracks that run behind union station.

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