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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby chingon » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:56 am

DaveKCMO wrote:if KCATA were to "refresh" main MAX while we wait for the streetcar extension in 2022-23, what changes would you make?


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1. Eliminate the South Plaza jog.

2. Floating bus island at 47th/Cleaver/BKS/Main.

3. Eliminate local service/split route south of the Plaza

4. Fix the condition of the curb lanes. It’s a fucking miserable ride.

5. Remind the bus drivers that people get on the bus dressed for the weather, so maybe running the heater a 95 degrees anytime the outdoor temperature is below 75 isn’t the most comfortable rider experience.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby earthling » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:38 am

chingon wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:if KCATA were to "refresh" main MAX while we wait for the streetcar extension in 2022-23, what changes would you make?


5. Remind the bus drivers that people get on the bus dressed for the weather, so maybe running the heater a 95 degrees anytime the outdoor temperature is below 75 isn’t the most comfortable rider experience.


So true. The bus drivers get cold with door always opening so they crank up the heat, the older the driver the hotter it is. I open my window seat during winter just to breathe. The drivers need local heat or some form of space heater.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby JLowe2018 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:26 pm

earthling wrote:
chingon wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:if KCATA were to "refresh" main MAX while we wait for the streetcar extension in 2022-23, what changes would you make?


5. Remind the bus drivers that people get on the bus dressed for the weather, so maybe running the heater a 95 degrees anytime the outdoor temperature is below 75 isn’t the most comfortable rider experience.


So true. The bus drivers get cold with door always opening so they crank up the heat, the older the driver the hotter it is. I open my window seat during winter just to breathe. The drivers need local heat or some form of space heater.


Maybe heated seats for the drivers?

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby WoodDraw » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:16 pm

chingon wrote:
5. Remind the bus drivers that people get on the bus dressed for the weather, so maybe running the heater a 95 degrees anytime the outdoor temperature is below 75 isn’t the most comfortable rider experience.


yessss. And most of us have been walking and are already at comfortable temperature.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby kcjak » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:07 am

1. Enforce the 'bus only' curb lane to reduce/eliminate dumb asses from driving in it during rush hour.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby beautyfromashes » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:28 am

kcjak wrote:1. Enforce the 'bus only' curb lane to reduce/eliminate dumb asses from driving in it during rush hour.

Oh man, I have the same pet peave! Always KS plates. I don’t think they understand.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby JBmidtown » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:57 pm

Or just take street parking off Main and make the curb lane a true, dedicated ROW like a real BRT line would have. Oh and do that on Troost and Prospect too.

And yeah, local service in Waldo? Nuh uh. Nope. Get rid of it.

And get some of those smart kiosks on the MAX line so they’re already there when the streetcar is expanded.

There’s a lot of cheap little fixes that could make the experience of riding the Main MAX so much better...

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby chingon » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:57 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:
kcjak wrote:1. Enforce the 'bus only' curb lane to reduce/eliminate dumb asses from driving in it during rush hour.

Oh man, I have the same pet peave! Always KS plates. I don’t think they understand.


Anecdotally, I see many, many people with MO plates doing it. And in all fairness the “LANE BUS” signs are both backwards and mostly worn off.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby gfenn11 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:16 pm

chingon wrote:
beautyfromashes wrote:
kcjak wrote:1. Enforce the 'bus only' curb lane to reduce/eliminate dumb asses from driving in it during rush hour.

Oh man, I have the same pet peave! Always KS plates. I don’t think they understand.


Anecdotally, I see many, many people with MO plates doing it. And in all fairness the “LANE BUS” signs are both backwards and mostly worn off.


While they are worn down they are actually written correctly as you are supposed to read it as you drive over or by it.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby beautyfromashes » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:49 pm

There are black and white signs on the curb up and down Main.
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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby Eon Blue » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:23 am

The biggest thing I could have asked for was moving the route to Grand. That was done and it's been 2 wonderful months of speedy travel through downtown.

1.) I concur that the pavement on Main Street south of Grand leave much to be desired. I find myself almost by instinct bracing for certain potholes.

2.) I'd love to see the vinyl seats added to the Max buses that are now standard on regular RideKC buses.

3.) Fix the signal timing or convert one of the through EB lanes to a second left turn lane at 47th/Cleaver and Main. That intersection is a terrible time suck at peak hours.

4.) Move the NB stop at 17th Street closer to the SB stop at Truman Road.

5.) Consider eliminating the 22nd Street stop.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:08 am

thanks for the reminder about the turn lane on cleaver!

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby earthling » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:40 am

Eon Blue wrote:The biggest thing I could have asked for was moving the route to Grand. That was done and it's been 2 wonderful months of speedy travel through downtown.


So nice to get from Plaza to RM in reasonable time.

2.) I'd love to see the vinyl seats added to the Max buses that are now standard on regular RideKC buses.


Agree, these seats are easier to clean and who knows what gross gunk is in those cloth seats. Though ATA does a better job keeping them clean than other bus systems.

3.) Fix the signal timing or convert one of the through EB lanes to a second left turn lane at 47th/Cleaver and Main. That intersection is a terrible time suck at peak hours.


Good idea.

5.) Consider eliminating the 22nd Street stop.


I thought the same but it probably is easier to walk/bike to/from Hospital Hill from that stop than CC stop. If it's not used, dump it. Or if HH gets a bikeshare station, maybe one could go there or move the one from 20th.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby earthling » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:44 am

BTW, here's a map of new Main MAX for discussion...

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby Eon Blue » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:04 am

DaveKCMO wrote:thanks for the reminder about the turn lane on cleaver!

No problem. Those outside third lanes on Cleaver between Main and Rockhill have been in my mental road diet dream list for years.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby chingon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:06 am

gfenn11 wrote:
chingon wrote:
beautyfromashes wrote:Oh man, I have the same pet peave! Always KS plates. I don’t think they understand.


Anecdotally, I see many, many people with MO plates doing it. And in all fairness the “LANE BUS” signs are both backwards and mostly worn off.


While they are worn down they are actually written correctly as you are supposed to read it as you drive over or by it.


I understand it’s intentional. I disagree that it is correct, instinctual or functional.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby chingon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:08 am

DaveKCMO wrote:thanks for the reminder about the turn lane on cleaver!


No need to fix the turn lane back up if you eliminate the south plaza jog...

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby DaveKCMO » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:13 am

chingon wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:thanks for the reminder about the turn lane on cleaver!


No need to fix the turn lane back up if you eliminate the south plaza jog...


plaza library generates a lot of trips. why eliminate jog now when streetcar construction will disrupt that segment of main/brookside?

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby earthling » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:26 am

The Plaza jog isn't that disruptive and maybe better location for visitors. Separately, would rather see the tennis courts turned into a transit center with a Walgreens or CVS and Plaza residential services, which the Plaza needs but won't do. Can move the courts to N end of Mill Creek Park or beef up Loose Park.

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Re: Main Street MAX

Postby chingon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:57 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
chingon wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:thanks for the reminder about the turn lane on cleaver!


No need to fix the turn lane back up if you eliminate the south plaza jog...


plaza library generates a lot of trips. why eliminate jog now when streetcar construction will disrupt that segment of main/brookside?


I see your point about construction, but isn’t that going to be an issue anywhere up and down Main Street, too. And you’d have trouble convincing me that the Plaza library stop wouldn’t generate just as many trips with a stop on Brookside and Ward PKWY.


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