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DaveKCMO wrote:there is a direct train (#3/#4) that takes 7 hours, not competitive with flying but faster than driving. if you buy early enough, it's no more expensive than the state-sponsored trains that connect in st. louis. i've converted many people to that train. if you want to still save time, fly there and take the train back. you can use #129/#229 bus to get to/from KCI.

but yeah, we definitely suffer from not enough departures outside of the coasts.
it's not just departures but gaping holes. Look at the route from KC to Florida. Even with their bus connections the routes are insanely long via Virginia!!!???

the problem is the current train network largely follows freight routes through the middle of nowhere to connect big cities like airplanes do. It needs to be more hub spoke than it is and which high speed plans are moving towards. the train in MO should connect the 7 biggest cities together in a triangle and spokes as a starting point and then work towards the 25 biggest over time (college towns, suburbs and such). serve the smaller towns in between

that would cover the majority of people in the state with only 25 primary end points.

make the service be a minimum of faster than a car and tie it into other services be it transit, a taxi stop, a bike share station, a car rental spot or such depending on the station.

Look at the Warrensburg amtrak station as an example of this need. now locate the car rental places. now find out if their hours coordinate after you've walked the 10+ blocks from the train to there. There's a big opportunity lost in coordinating services.

what student will take the train to school knowing they have to walk to campus? sure, they can get dropped off or take their bike. what if that doesn't work out? should we strand them?
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flyingember wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:there is a direct train (#3/#4) that takes 7 hours, not competitive with flying but faster than driving. if you buy early enough, it's no more expensive than the state-sponsored trains that connect in st. louis. i've converted many people to that train. if you want to still save time, fly there and take the train back. you can use #129/#229 bus to get to/from KCI.

but yeah, we definitely suffer from not enough departures outside of the coasts.
it's not just departures but gaping holes. Look at the route from KC to Florida. Even with their bus connections the routes are insanely long via Virginia!!!???

the problem is the current train network largely follows freight routes through the middle of nowhere to connect big cities like airplanes do. It needs to be more hub spoke than it is and which high speed plans are moving towards. the train in MO should connect the 7 biggest cities together in a triangle and spokes as a starting point and then work towards the 25 biggest over time (college towns, suburbs and such). serve the smaller towns in between

that would cover the majority of people in the state with only 25 primary end points.

make the service be a minimum of faster than a car and tie it into other services be it transit, a taxi stop, a bike share station, a car rental spot or such depending on the station.

Look at the Warrensburg amtrak station as an example of this need. now locate the car rental places. now find out if their hours coordinate after you've walked the 10+ blocks from the train to there. There's a big opportunity lost in coordinating services.

what student will take the train to school knowing they have to walk to campus? sure, they can get dropped off or take their bike. what if that doesn't work out? should we strand them?

A train to Florida? While I think that HSR stands to replace short-haul flights (and should), airplanes do have their uses. Getting you to Florida being a primary one.

Also, the Warrensburg Amtrak station is right next to campus. No need to rent a car or bike. Just walk.
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There's no good way to get to Florida, which is why they put it where they did.
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chaglang wrote:There's no good way to get to Florida, which is why they put it where they did.
=D>

Well done.
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I recently picked someone up at the Warrensburg Amtrack Station at 1:00 on a Friday afternoon.

I was surprised at the number of people there waiting to board. There were at least 40 people there. Not sure if they all were getting on the train. But it definately was not deserted.

As far as the location of the Warrensburg Amtrack station, it is a five to ten minute walk to most of campus. For students with out a car, that are used to walking, I assume the walk is a piece of cake.
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knucklehead wrote:I recently picked someone up at the Warrensburg Amtrack Station at 1:00 on a Friday afternoon.

I was surprised at the number of people there waiting to board. There were at least 40 people there. Not sure if they all were getting on the train. But it definately was not deserted.

As far as the location of the Warrensburg Amtrack station, it is a five to ten minute walk to most of campus. For students with out a car, that are used to walking, I assume the walk is a piece of cake.
There's plenty of people who would like to take a train for most the distance out into western Kansas or central Missouri or the like and drive the remainder if car rental was easier.

maybe the solution is for amtrak to take a cue from Travelocity and start offering packages.

If you sign up for a trip from A to B with a car Amtrak is required to have either a car waiting at the station, where doable with a partnership, or some form of contracted transportation that can take you to a rental car place or a hotel and then get the car the next day. It's less of a deal in a bigger city but hit those small towns out west in Kansas and having options could help. it wouldn't be in all towns to begin with but there's plenty of companies that would jump on the business opportunity. In many places Enterprise or similar would just need to be available on call on the train's hours.
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Also worth noting that there is an Enterprise location 10 minutes walk from the Warrensburg Amtrak Station.
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The only Enterprise location is Warrensburg that I am aware of is more like a 25 minute walk.

However, I believe Enterprise would send someone to the station to pick you up. They pick up people at auto shops all the time. Enterprise is the only car rental place in Warrensburg.
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knucklehead wrote:The only Enterprise location is Warrensburg that I am aware of is more like a 25 minute walk.

However, I believe Enterprise would send someone to the station to pick you up. They pick up people at auto shops all the time. Enterprise is the only car rental place in Warrensburg.
Hmm, could be. I'm just going off Google Maps.
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smh wrote:
knucklehead wrote:The only Enterprise location is Warrensburg that I am aware of is more like a 25 minute walk.

However, I believe Enterprise would send someone to the station to pick you up. They pick up people at auto shops all the time. Enterprise is the only car rental place in Warrensburg.
Hmm, could be. I'm just going off Google Maps.
If I were to get into Warrensburg at 8pm would they?

What if that train is 2 hours late and gets in at 10pm?

that's where the contract needs to occur to give piece of mind.
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Alternatively, the train--on tracks--could just run on time.
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the new equipment that will serve midwest amtrak routes starting in 2015 will be built in rochelle, illinois.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/ ... /121119768
The cars are designed to operate at speeds of up to 125 miles per hour. They are gradually being added on routes between here and St. Louis and Detroit, and “equipped to deal with weather extremes.” Beyond that, the cars will have Wi-Fi. And exceed federal requirements for the disabled. And, because the cars are bigger than the ones they'll replace, they will expand capacity by as much as 90 people per coach.
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All the more reason to get a dedicated line between KC and STL.
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High Speed Rail Service Coming to St. Louis

http://fox2now.com/2012/12/19/high-spee ... -st-louis/

Could this be the first step in an eventual high speed rail hook-up with between Chicago, St. Louis, and KC? Not sure why KC lights are mentioned twice in a story about high speed rail.
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mgh7676 wrote:High Speed Rail Service Coming to St. Louis

http://fox2now.com/2012/12/19/high-spee ... -st-louis/

Could this be the first step in an eventual high speed rail hook-up with between Chicago, St. Louis, and KC? Not sure why KC lights are mentioned twice in a story about high speed rail.
that article is a mess. i hope it was written by an out-of-state intern and saw no editing. otherwise, there's no excuse.

it is the first step. CHI-STL-KC is a federally-designated high speed rail corridor [map], which means it can receive federal funding to achieve that (though no consistent program yet exists). CHI-STL is being upgraded now to 110-mph service using Recovery Act funds, with a push for 220-mph service. STL-KC is receiving more modest upgrades to ensure 79-mph runs and high reliability.

on a side note, illinois will start two new state-sponsored routes next year -- dubuque/rockford and quad cities, both terminating in chicago. michigan services are seeing upgrades to 110-mph. iowa and minnesota are studying new routes or added frequencies. as with any network, these new services should boost ridership everywhere.

in 2015, new bi-level equipment that is wifi-enabled should start circulating throughout the midwest, including missouri.
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missouri is one of the designated recipient states for the new bi-level cars so we should see it on all or nearly all missouri river runner trains beginning in late 2015.

as for missouri river runner speed, top speed on (segments of) the up track bewteen here and st louis is now 79 mph. i'll be surprised if we get more than 15-20 minutes trimmed off the 5h 40m schedule within the next five years, and that might take some heavy-duty arm-twisting on modot to pressure amtrak and the up to do it.
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There are double tracks from Jefferson City to St Louis. I am wondering why the speed can't be increased to 90 mph. Is the track just that unsuitable for higher speeds?
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Zorobabel wrote:There are double tracks from Jefferson City to St Louis. I am wondering why the speed can't be increased to 90 mph. Is the track just that unsuitable for higher speeds?
there's any number of reasons such as

track quality
crossing alerts are set for trains reaching them in a certain time
timing with freight traffic
curve sharpness
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new bi-level coaches arriving in 2015 will have space for 20 bikes, a big upgrade from today's equipment. also, the wifi.
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flyingember wrote:
Zorobabel wrote:There are double tracks from Jefferson City to St Louis. I am wondering why the speed can't be increased to 90 mph. Is the track just that unsuitable for higher speeds?
there's any number of reasons such as

track quality
crossing alerts are set for trains reaching them in a certain time
timing with freight traffic
curve sharpness
What he said. You also need a special signaling system (for train control, not just for grade crossings.)
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