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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:52 am

The incentives are to market KC as well....so helps bring icelanders to KC.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby Riverite » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:11 pm

Personally preferring going through security in the eu, or in icelands case a shengen state. I could see how it would make mainland Europeans more likely to visit as well

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby Riverite » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:13 pm

We could also market it as being a less intimidating customs airport. For example if Boston and Atlanta are the same price I would much rather go through boston

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby Highlander » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:26 pm

missingkc wrote:More or less on the subject, I think Van Loh is a hero. I know many thought he was an arrogant, heavy-handed ass (or something like that) but would KC have a new airport on the way without his initiative? From my observations, he took the reins and tried to run the airport like a professional business instead of as political football. He should get a lounge named after him.


Ditto. He saw the issues with KCI and batted his head against a wall trying to convince an insular populace that the airport was hopelessly obsolete. Entrenchment groups like CFRG and save KCI made his task far more difficult than it should have been. In the end, looks like he did a pretty good job making his point.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby shinatoo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:14 pm

Omaha see KC as there rival. KC sees St. Louis. St. Louis -> Chicago -> New York

and so on.
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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:28 pm

You aren't really describing rivals though....more like equals that aren't really equal...and in that case I'd hope we would be comparing ourselves tonliek a Denver....not stl

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby warwickland » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:25 pm

KCPowercat wrote:You aren't really describing rivals though....more like equals that aren't really equal...and in that case I'd hope we would be comparing ourselves tonliek a Denver....not stl


i mean, we have a non-downtown studiogang tower in pre-construction site prep as of today...you really think st. louis is vastly behind kc? but i understand what you are saying.

but to the non-point...i don't really think people in st. louis consider chicago a "rival" in anything other than sports. we mainly use the chicago comparison to beat up on ourselves or to be glib about winter weather.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby ldai_phs » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:32 pm

I don’t think he’s saying that he thinks KC is ahead of STL. I think instead he is saying we should look up to our successful cousin, not our struggling sister.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby warwickland » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:33 pm

ldai_phs wrote:I don’t think he’s saying that he thinks KC is ahead of STL. I think instead he is saying we should look up to our successful cousin, not our struggling sister.


i sort of edited my post once i grasped that. just had a lumbar injection (slipped disc) and am a bit out of sorts. : :shock:

also, i prefer that we be your drunk uncle... :lol:

everyone carry on...

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby warwickland » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:40 pm

minneapolis is probably a better comparison. denver is on a much more radical path than anything i’ve seen in the midwest and is changing by the month.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby STLguy1 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:10 pm

I wouldn't call STL a "struggling sister" unless you really feel that KC is better off - there's a lot of big projects in STL's central cooridor that I wish we had going on in KC. There seems to be way more activity there.

As for Kansas City Airport...

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby KCFan » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:49 pm

I don’t really know what’s going on in St. Louis outside somehow the metro lost people last year while the KC metro had a nice increase to a net 20,000 growth (about 5k more than recent years). I know St. Louis is larger, but don’t know how much more construction they have going than KC. I’m pleased with the overall activity in KC. My biggest complaint is we haven’t gotten the major corporations to build new office downtown, but there’s lots of other things to like.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby STLguy1 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:02 pm

STL Metro did not lose population. You are misinformed. The growth was slower but not negative.

Back to KC Airport. The 2017 statistics are out. Here they are:
[it should be noted that in 2017 New Orleans and Raleigh have passed Kansas City in passengers and growth and we had the lowest percentage growth] :-|
(2017 final passengers)

St. Louis STL: 14,730,656 (up 5.5%)
Nashville BNA: 14.1 million (up 8.9%)
Austin AUS: 13.8 million (up 11.5%)
New Orleans MSY: 12 million (up 9%)*
Raleigh/Durham RDU: 11.6 million (up 5.6%)
Kansas City MCI: 11.5 million (up 4.5%)
Cleveland CLE: 9.14 million (up 8.5%)**
Pittsburgh PIT: 8.9 million (up 8.9%)
Indianapolis IND: 8.77 million (up 6.2%)
Cincinnati 7.8 CVG: 7.8 million (up 16%)***

*note: MSY say 20 new destinations added in 2017, the largest increase in service since Katrina. The airport added 2 international destinations in 2017.
**note: CLE has first increase since loss of United Hub causing plunge in 2014/2015 with new carriers and additional seats/destinations.
**note: CVG came off of 2015/2016 loss of Delta Hub causing high increase with new carriers and additional seats/destinations.

[above reposted from another site]

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:17 pm

what's the link to that data? Weird they listed the STL number so detailed and all the other airports rounded to the 10th of a million.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby ldai_phs » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:33 pm

KCPowercat wrote:what's the link to that data? Weird they listed the STL number so detailed and all the other airports rounded to the 10th of a million.

I think this was originally posted on Urban STL.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby KCFan » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:13 am

STLguy1 wrote:STL Metro did not lose population. You are misinformed. The growth was slower but not negative.




Not according to the U.S. census.....the St. Louis metro dropped 1328 people.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article141841529.html

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby flyingember » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:34 am

KCFan wrote:
STLguy1 wrote:STL Metro did not lose population. You are misinformed. The growth was slower but not negative.




Not according to the U.S. census.....the St. Louis metro dropped 1328 people.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article141841529.html

A single year doesn't tell much for population changes.

From 2010 to 2016 there was a MSA increase overall of 22k. But of the 12 counties + city, 6 of them shrunk in size and one, St. Charles County, grew enough to counter the decline of all six by itself. Jefferson County is the other notable growth area. Meanwhile, the Illinois side is shrinking.

So the metro area is moving outwards in Missouri. St. Louis county is basically stagnant in size, dropping by around 300 people over 6 years

One thing that's interesting is St. Louis county has a larger foreign born population as a percentage than the city does.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby beautyfromashes » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:12 am

I, and I think most people in KC, don’t ever think about St. Louis. They don’t have anything to be jealous of or inspire to. I hope they start doing better for the sake of the state, but they seem so locked in the past and non- forward thinking, IMO. I’m more interested in watching Denver or Dallas as they have more what need we with regards to industry, and west coast cities with regards to development and city life.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby earthling » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:18 am

More detail here. The annual migration tells the real story not so much birth/death rate...

STL population..
https://www.recenter.tamu.edu/data/popu ... s%2C_MO-IL

KC
https://www.recenter.tamu.edu/data/popu ... y%2C_MO-KS

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby chaglang » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:21 am

Looks like the outcome of the MOU vote today is anyone's guess.


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