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Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by TrolliKC » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:55 pm

Black & Veatch released results from Hyperloop Study with key findings:

- 80% increase in ridership demand from 16,000 to 51,000 riders per round trip
- Savings from less time spent on the road, adding up to $410 million per year
- Reduction in accidents along the I-70, putting up to $91 million per year back in people’s pockets
- Travel time between Kansas City and St. Louis could be as little as 28 minutes, compared to 3 ½ hours today, and travel time for trips from either Kansas City or St. Louis to Columbia could be 15 minutes, compared to nearly 2 hours
- The cost to take a hyperloop from St. Louis to Kansas City could be lower than the cost to drive (based on gas alone), while still cutting down the time by three hours
- The study confirms that VHO’s linear infrastructure costs are around 40% lower than those seen in high speed rail projects around the world, while the system delivers speeds that are two to three times faster

Virgin Hyperloop One press assets, including a video from a recent Missouri DevLoop visit, can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1kodam1er771 ... ibQ2a?dl=0

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by missingkc » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:54 pm

Any attempt at this will be killed in the legislature due to lobbying by the state's Fraternal Order of Gas Sellers and Convenience Store Owners.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by FangKC » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:05 pm

I'm onboard for anything that can take me between KC and StL in 30 minutes for less than the cost of driving. I'd go twice a year just to walk around looking at old buildings.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by normalthings » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:40 pm

FangKC wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:05 pm
I'm onboard for anything that can take me between KC and StL in 30 minutes for less than the cost of driving. I'd go twice a year just to walk around looking at old buildings.

8)
There is sort of. It has 6 wheels and 2 wings. It has a flight time of 30 minutes. Now if you use the IRS cost per mile, it’s cheaper than driving at $90. It’s called Southwest Airline’s 737

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by warwickland » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:43 am

i wish hyperloop would stop trolling us with this b.s.

meanwhile in china:

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i've ridden european engineered, proven tech, high speed rail in china, like a subway between two cities 100 miles apart going 200 mph.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by warwickland » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:50 am

normalthings wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:40 pm
FangKC wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:05 pm
I'm onboard for anything that can take me between KC and StL in 30 minutes for less than the cost of driving. I'd go twice a year just to walk around looking at old buildings.

8)
There is sort of. It has 6 wheels and 2 wings. It has a flight time of 30 minutes. Now if you use the IRS cost per mile, it’s cheaper than driving at $90. It’s called Southwest Airline’s 737
that's no comparison to pulling up in a downtown station and being on the street in 5 minutes. when i fly to chicago i still have to battle getting out of o'hare and then either traffic or a long CTA ride, which doesn't include getting to the airport early. i'm looking forward to illinois high speed rail being done...because rail works.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by normalthings » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:16 am

warwickland wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:50 am
normalthings wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:40 pm
FangKC wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:05 pm
I'm onboard for anything that can take me between KC and StL in 30 minutes for less than the cost of driving. I'd go twice a year just to walk around looking at old buildings.

8)
There is sort of. It has 6 wheels and 2 wings. It has a flight time of 30 minutes. Now if you use the IRS cost per mile, it’s cheaper than driving at $90. It’s called Southwest Airline’s 737
that's no comparison to pulling up in a downtown station and being on the street in 5 minutes. when i fly to chicago i still have to battle getting out of o'hare and then either traffic or a long CTA ride, which doesn't include getting to the airport early. i'm looking forward to illinois high speed rail being done...because rail works.
I totally agree with you in the benefits of high speed rail. HSR is what Missouri should build.

However, I think hyperloop , if it is even possible to build, is going to end up being a lot more like flying.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by flyingember » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:20 am

normalthings wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:40 pm
FangKC wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:05 pm
I'm onboard for anything that can take me between KC and StL in 30 minutes for less than the cost of driving. I'd go twice a year just to walk around looking at old buildings.

8)
There is sort of. It has 6 wheels and 2 wings. It has a flight time of 30 minutes. Now if you use the IRS cost per mile, it’s cheaper than driving at $90. It’s called Southwest Airline’s 737
Yeah, not even close.

Southwest's flights are 55-60 minutes long from gate to gate and you have another ~30 minutes on the train into downtown on the St. Louis side and about 30-45 minutes on the bus on the KC side and a minimum of 30 minutes of padding for arrival, security, etc (boarding time)

Your 30 minutes is really 2.5 hours.

If you book for next week it's $208. If you book for February the cheapest is $103

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by WSPanic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:23 am

By the time this thing gets built, we'll have Star Trek-like transporter technology. Won't even need it.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:42 am

missingkc wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:54 pm
Any attempt at this will be killed in the legislature due to lobbying by the state's Fraternal Order of Gas Sellers and Convenience Store Owners.
The ignorance about this political reality is astonishing. Once we find out their public funding request, it might not even make it to the legislature.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:43 am

normalthings wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:40 pm
FangKC wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:05 pm
I'm onboard for anything that can take me between KC and StL in 30 minutes for less than the cost of driving. I'd go twice a year just to walk around looking at old buildings.

8)
There is sort of. It has 6 wheels and 2 wings. It has a flight time of 30 minutes. Now if you use the IRS cost per mile, it’s cheaper than driving at $90. It’s called Southwest Airline’s 737
And it's actually carrying real passengers now and the infrastructure is in place. None of that applies to Hyperloop (which is now basically maglev, which already existed). This is 100% marketing bullshit.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by normalthings » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:25 am

flyingember wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:20 am
normalthings wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:40 pm
FangKC wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:05 pm
I'm onboard for anything that can take me between KC and StL in 30 minutes for less than the cost of driving. I'd go twice a year just to walk around looking at old buildings.

8)
There is sort of. It has 6 wheels and 2 wings. It has a flight time of 30 minutes. Now if you use the IRS cost per mile, it’s cheaper than driving at $90. It’s called Southwest Airline’s 737
Yeah, not even close.

Southwest's flights are 55-60 minutes long from gate to gate and you have another ~30 minutes on the train into downtown on the St. Louis side and about 30-45 minutes on the bus on the KC side and a minimum of 30 minutes of padding for arrival, security, etc (boarding time)

Your 30 minutes is really 2.5 hours.

If you book for next week it's $208. If you book for February the cheapest is $103
(1) I said the flight time is 30 minutes. The Hyperloop time is at best a rough estimation of its “flight time” based off of never before achieved speeds. Yes, there is an extra 30 minutes of taxing and such when flying. But there is no way Hyperloop wouldn’t have the same. There would have to be some sort of “switching tracks”, and prolonged deceleration at each stop. This is going to really add time to the Hyperloop Trip.

(2) Hyperloop originally had proposed stations far out in the suburbs. Just like how the airports are in the suburbs.

(3) Do you expect Hyperloop to not need 30+ minutes of “padding time”? I don’t know how boarding wouldn’t take just as long as an airplane. A vacuum bullet is highly vulnerable and highly fragile. They are going to have to have TSA like security measures in place.

(4) SWA airfares start at $90-$100 and naturally increase as the travel date gets closer. (Less supply + they can milk business travelers who book tickets close in). Just like every other sort of modern transit, Hyperloop tickets will increase in price as travel date nears.

In my opinion, we already have something very similar to what Hyperloop plans on offering (if it’s even possible).

Edit: this isn’t meant to come off aggressive.

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Re: Hyperloop between KC and STL

Post by cityscape » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:23 am

Can't find the link, but the Saudi's pulled their $1 billion investment in Virgin Hyperloop because Branson pulled out of the Davos in the Desert thing due to the Journalist being murdered. That will likely have two outcomes. 1. it might mean that VHO refocuses efforts on the US since they had been wanting to start in Dubai. 2. It could also slow the development due to such a significant funding loss.

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