Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

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What route should the third phase of streetcar expansion follow?

Linwood: Main to Michigan(71 Highway)
5
14%
Country Club ROW: UMKC to Brookside/Waldo
6
16%
Country Club ROW: UMKC through Brookside/Waldo to Prospect
7
19%
Linwood: Main to Emanuel Cleaver 2
3
8%
City/County Wide Rail Project
14
38%
Other
2
5%
 
Total votes: 37

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby tower » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:18 pm

Should we remove the city/county wide rail project option from the poll? Of course that is the preferred option for everyone, but assuming that we have to extend it with a TDD...

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby ldai_phs » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:31 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:if you're curious about election results from 2014, here you go: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx1_a ... DVxdUVOd3c


Once the UMKC Plan is funded and ready to go, what would be the next steps for us to getting another extension going?
Should we wait for the UMKC expansion to be complete in 2022/23 or should we start earlier ( Late 2018/2019)?
And if I may ask, What is your prefered expansion path?

Thanks again for all the work you've done over the last 1.5 decades. I wish you a great retirement after the main extension is completed.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby ldai_phs » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:36 pm

tower wrote:Should we remove the city/county wide rail project option from the poll? Of course that is the preferred option for everyone, but assuming that we have to extend it with a TDD...

Yea. Probably not achievable by a TDD. I was originally thinking that by the early 2020's there may Be enough city/county support to build something bigger so I included it in the poll.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby grovester » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:01 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:if you're curious about election results from 2014, here you go: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx1_a ... DVxdUVOd3c


The corridor numbers were closer than I remember. I'd hope they would go up considering the success of the starter line.

IIRC none of these extensions were viable financially as stand alone tdds, only when combined with the main street corridors. Is that going to be a problem with the timing of a next proposal?

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:49 pm

there may be some interesting news develop tomorrow evening. keep an eye on twitter.

https://twitter.com/kcchamber

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby flyingember » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:44 am

tower wrote:
KCtoBrooklyn wrote:Extending through Waldo no the CCROW (and then maybe down to Three Trails/Cerner) might be the most useful extension, but I think there is still too much neighborhood opposition, so it didn't get might vote.

Independence Ave would be a good extension, but I voted for Linwood to Michigan (somewhat selfishly since I live nearby). I don't think extending east of 71 would have much value (aside from appeasing East Side leaders) unless it went all the way to the stadiums. Going to Michigan could be a good starter route, with possible eastward expansion later.

Did the original Linwood extension route go west of Main? I seem to remember it stopping there, but it seems like going west to SW Tfwy so it would reach Penn Valley CC would be a valuable destination. It may not be the most practical, but I would love to see it keep going west from there and go down Karnes Blvd through Roanoke Park and terminate at 39th and Wyoming (or keep going to KU Med).


Broadway is close enough to walk. Not exactly comfortably, but it is close enough. I don't think extending west of main would be worth it unless it went down 39th.

The benefit of going west would be to intercept a commuter line coming from JoCo. It's not that far to that freight cooridor. Cutting the triangle of going downtown to get to the plaza would have value and bring a line to the SW Blvd corridor

Bundle heading west on 31st into a commuter rail plan.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby flyingember » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:48 am

grovester wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:if you're curious about election results from 2014, here you go: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx1_a ... DVxdUVOd3c


The corridor numbers were closer than I remember. I'd hope they would go up considering the success of the starter line.

IIRC none of these extensions were viable financially as stand alone tdds, only when combined with the main street corridors. Is that going to be a problem with the timing of a next proposal?

I expect that demand will follow jobs.

If building track to UMKC brings a lot of new jobs to midtown along Main I would expect to see support grow in the urban core for more lines

It's always about jobs. People will feel better with a slightly higher sales or property tax if they feel like it's possible to use the train to get to work and get a raise at the same time.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby ldai_phs » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:36 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:there may be some interesting news develop tomorrow evening. keep an eye on twitter.

https://twitter.com/kcchamber

Did anything end up happening?

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby grovester » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:57 pm

ldai_phs wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:there may be some interesting news develop tomorrow evening. keep an eye on twitter.

https://twitter.com/kcchamber

Did anything end up happening?

https://twitter.com/kclightrail/status/ ... 7180499968

#Big5 on Transportation will focus on an “integrated multimodal transit system”. @kcchamber

Sure hope that is Bi-State.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby DaveKCMO » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:26 am

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby kboish » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:48 am

Glad the chamber is on board with sustainable jobs and transportation. Those are pretty broad terms though. Any specific strategy of projects they are gunning for?

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby kboish » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:52 am

If I were the chamber- I'd have a specific goal of transforming the Blue Valley Industrial area into a sustainable jobs corridor. Solar, wind, batteries tech and cars (tesla), equipment needed for the infrastructure related to solar, etc. Focus should be on (re)training people from that area.

And of course regional rail plan must be the transportation goal or we're not being serious about it.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby beautyfromashes » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:04 am

Yeah, those seem really vague and unmeasurable.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby DaveKCMO » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:08 am

beautyfromashes wrote:Yeah, those seem really vague and unmeasurable.


most of the Big 5 items are.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby beautyfromashes » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:19 am

DaveKCMO wrote:most of the Big 5 items are.

I thought they were more specific like, "Build the Crossroads UMKC Conservatory campus."

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby kboish » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 am

They had a mix of specific and broad last time. I realize I am derailing this thread...so feel free to move to more appropriate spot, but I feel like these are worth reviewing since we have a "new" Big 5.


Building Kansas City’s Workforce of Tomorrow through Kindergarten-Readiness
Co-Champions: Kay Barnes, Center for Leadership, Park University; Carol Marinovich, Donnelly College; Tracy McFerrin, Hall Family Foundation

A. Assessment: With input from regional education partners and research experts, the KC Chamber will gather and analyze data — both existing and new — to assess the current and future early childhood education conditions.

Targeted Outcomes:
Data collection to assess the status of early childhood education region-wide; and ongoing data collection to assess progress made through collaboration and investment.

B. Buy-In: The KC Chamber, with the assistance of many community partners, will bring resources to the organizations that can have the greatest positive impact on regional education outcomes.

Targeted Outcomes:
The identification of resource needs;
The identification of available resources; and
The connection of high value tactics to resources.

C. Collaboration: The KC Chamber and regional education partners will convene an organizing group to fully assess our early childhood education landscape and tactics for improvement.

Targeted Outcomes:
The construction of a strategic framework setting forth common goals and specific tactics that can be implemented to improve early childhood education throughout the entire Greater Kansas City region;
A common understanding of the data needed to assess early childhood education outcomes; and
A shared vision of success.


Revitalizing Our Urban Neighborhoods through the Urban Neighborhood Initiative (UNI)
Champion: Terry Bassham, Great Plains Energy Inc.
This was probably the most obscure...but if you think about all the momentum on Troost right now you've got to think it was either effective or prescient.


Making Kansas City America’s Most Entrepreneurial City
Champion: Matt Condon, ARC Physical Therapy+
Again, pretty vague, but with the Kauffman Foundation you could argue there was a good lead organization that has prioritized the strategy. If you remember, prior to this, Kauffman foundation was criticized for being too national in its prioritization and operations. The board shuffled the leadership and since then Kauffman has become much more KC-centric (definitely what Mr. K would have envisioned).


Growing Kansas City’s Medical Research, From Discovery to Cure
Champion: Dr. Patrick James, Sr. Managing Partner, Quest Diagnostics; Chair, KC Area Life Sciences Institute

This initiative has two components: (1) leveraging the $20 million NIH Clinical and Translational Science Award (CTSA) grant recently awarded to KU Medical Center and a number of regional partners by raising additional research funds to expand the scope of the collaboration, and (2) exploring the feasibility and funding options to establish an Institute for Translational Research. For additional information on the CTSA collaboration, see: http://www.kumc.edu/frontiers.html.


I'm pretty sure this one was all about getting a regional tax passed to fund a campus for Stowers out where Cerner is building at Bannister. Big boondoggle and misallocation of resources.

KU parlayed their grants into the goal of NCI designation. This is a good goal and I think may have been accomplished?

Moving UMKC’s World-Class Arts Programs to a New Downtown Location
Champion: Leo Morton, Chancellor, University of Missouri – Kansas City

Almost there!

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby beautyfromashes » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:02 pm

^ These were all much more specific. Besides 'Enhance Transportation Infastructure' I don't really know how any of the new goals could be measurable based directly on the activities of the announced teams. Vague goals are usually a way to avoid accountability toward completion. Of the five goals from last time, I think the people pushing the Crossroads arts campus should get some of the largest credit, even though we have hit somewhat of a wall. That seemed like a dynamic, big goal. They made excellent progress to where I could definitely see it happening soon. That team deserves some huge credit even though it wasn't completed. The goal should be making large jumps in progress, not taking credit on a weak goal that will largely be dependent on outside factors like, "Strenghthen Our Workforce" or "Create Jobs".

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby tower » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:21 pm

It may be extra vague because they don't know or can't say what the Google thing is.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby beautyfromashes » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:28 pm

tower wrote:It may be extra vague because they don't know or can't say what the Google thing is.

Perhaps. That would be great if they purposefully kept it vague to hide something not roundly known by the public. Hopefully, they will open up the specific goal as it becomes more revealed.

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Re: Phase Three Streetcar Expansion

Postby Riverite » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:58 pm

Google thing?


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