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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:16 pm
by KCPowercat
Yeah I don't know I haven't fleshed out the whole idea obviously. If it was a small amount I don't think I'd take the bond bridge from the airport.

Or....Toll them all!

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:21 pm
by flyingember
There's an interesting quirk involved.

169- approx. 41.4k
MO 9- approx. 25.8k
I-35 approx. 100.7k

The 2006 study doc for the Bond Bridge said 2030 traffic would be:
100,000 for the No-Build Concept, 125,000 for the Six-lane Build Concept, 140,000 for the Eight-lane Build Concept and 135,000 for the Eight-lane HOV Concept

So it's entirely possible the bridge would hit the theoretical maximum it could hold. MO 9 can't handle too many more cars, the stop lights provide the maximum capacity. Some would split to 635 of course. But I bet there would be 25k more cars taking I-35 with a closing

We could find out what this maximum looks like real world and start planning way quicker. It would help give reasons to add commuter rail decades quicker.

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:22 pm
by WoodDraw
I don't know if anyone knows this, but htf did we let this happen? We've gone from what seems to be no talk about this to complete panic/shut the bridge down for two years/fast track the north loop plan.

Someone fucked up? Who? This stuff drives me crazy.

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:25 pm
by flyingember
WoodDraw wrote:I don't know if anyone knows this, but htf did we let this happen? We've gone from what seems to be no talk about this to complete panic/shut the bridge down for two years/fast track the north loop plan.

Someone fucked up? Who? This stuff drives me crazy.

The legislature nomadequately funding modot relative to the work needed plus over building most projects plus too many state roads period relative to our population combined with modot debt financing everything and not establishing maintenance funds.

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:59 pm
by loftguy
Add to the mix, the recent discovery that submerged piers have eroded to an disturbing degree.
I understand that many informed on the subject don't use the bridge any longer.

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:10 pm
by aknowledgeableperson
KCPowercat wrote:How is the community bridge in LOTO done legally?


You go me. What/where is LOTO? Is my belief a belief in an urban legend?
I know the Broadway Bridge was a toll bridge, at one time I believe there was a toll on both ends. But the bridge was a local government build, no state money.

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:10 pm
by flyingember
aknowledgeableperson wrote:I know the Broadway Bridge was a toll bridge, at one time I believe there was a toll on both ends. But the bridge was a local government build, no state money.

The toll booth were all where the bridge gets wider on the south end.

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:31 am
by KCPowercat
Lake of the Ozarks (loto)

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:21 am
by aknowledgeableperson
KCPowercat wrote:Lake of the Ozarks (loto)


That bridge was not built by the state but by a private corp. I believe it was built and now operated by The Lake of the Ozarks Community Bridge Transportation Development District.

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:19 am
by KCPowercat
Hence my suggestion of a public private partnership.

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:57 pm
by KCPowercat
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar ... 53459.html

Toll gates, which were part of the original bridge, could also be part of the solution, Minder said.

“That’s how we funded it the first time,” he said.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:07 pm
by DaveKCMO
KCPowercat wrote:http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article145753459.html

Toll gates, which were part of the original bridge, could also be part of the solution, Minder said.

“That’s how we funded it the first time,” he said.

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here's the presentation wes gave: https://t.co/G9GKYGzCbU

Re: New Broadway Bridge

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:44 am
by DaveKCMO