Re: New Broadway Bridge
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:00 pm
Most urban areas also have 10X better metro wide transit than KC, that suburban people aren't afraid to use. Will take a while to get there.
If viaduct to KCK is no longer used for I-70, could part of it be converted to carry a light trail or streetcar to KCK(It could then run west down Minnesota Avenue). In turn, streetcar along independence avenue could terminate under north loop using some existing infrastructure?DaveKCMO wrote:1. rail tunnel -- have inquired. access to the trench area to connect with any other network is the challenge. lots of stuff in the way in all directions.
2. redevelopment -- i envision a nonprofit entity overseeing the sale of individual parcels. if someone's willing to outbid everyone to purchase a large amount of them, development standards should guide what's built (more rigorous than what's in place now). that's actually a good idea for the north loop anyway.
the historic part of the intercity viaduct was originally built for cars AND streetcars (streetcars didn't last long). KCK has expressed some interest in this scenario, but nothing formal has ever advanced (and don't get me started on KDOT's perspective on the north loop).ldai_phs wrote:If viaduct to KCK is no longer used for I-70, could part of it be converted to carry a light trail or streetcar to KCK(It could then run west down Minnesota Avenue).
you wouldn't "terminate" any streetcar extension at the north loop, but, rather, connect it the mainline and provide a variety of single-seat rides north and south (or east, if anything is ever built in that direction).In turn, streetcar along independence avenue could terminate under north loop using some existing infrastructure?
It sounds like they're thinking repairs only at this time, to get through another 10 or 20 years, rather than bridge replacement?Possibly 2019. I can't figure out how they're going to fund this.
there's 8 other bridges. Some people just have to detour onto one of them.DaveKCMO wrote:i'm surprised there's no outrage yet about a TWO-YEAR SHUTDOWN.
Most people won't know something is happening until the day they try to cross and it's shut down - that's when the outrage will occur, and they'll be screaming 'Why didn't we know sooner?!?'DaveKCMO wrote:i'm surprised there's no outrage yet about a TWO-YEAR SHUTDOWN.
Modot is pretty good at putting notice signs up well in advance. Only the most dense won't knowkcjak wrote:Most people won't know something is happening until the day they try to cross and it's shut down - that's when the outrage will occur, and they'll be screaming 'Why didn't we know sooner?!?'DaveKCMO wrote:i'm surprised there's no outrage yet about a TWO-YEAR SHUTDOWN.
Care to name the 8? There's two bridges, six lanes of traffic each way, that serve as a reasonable detour for the tens of thousands who take that bridge every single day. It was a sizeable annoyance when they closed the viaduct for several months a couple of years ago. A 2 year shutdown is going to suck pretty hard for any northlander who commutes south of the river for much of anything.flyingember wrote:there's 8 other bridges. Some people just have to detour onto one of them.
I live up north and it's being discussed on Nextdoor. A couple of people are worried but most would rather have 5-10 minutes of inconvenience for a couple of years than to have what happened in Minneapolis happen here. Based on Paseo Bridge experience and shorter Broadway experiences everyone seems to expect the first week suck and then quickly get better as people find the detour routes that work best for them.DaveKCMO wrote:i'm surprised there's no outrage yet about a TWO-YEAR SHUTDOWN.
Thought the state didn't allow tolls anymore.KCPowercat wrote:Private public partnership with a toll?
The state doesn't want to fund modot enough to build a bridge, if the city came with an offer that included tolls there may be interest in the ideaaknowledgeableperson wrote:Thought the state didn't allow tolls anymore.KCPowercat wrote:Private public partnership with a toll?
These are all good questions, especially the first. Since most drivers here are used to free parking, no tolls, and low gas taxes, I'm going to go with not a chance on that.TheBigChuckbowski wrote:Wouldn't adding a toll push so much traffic off the bridge that the cost of the replacement bridge would no longer be worth it?
I also think we should study putting that much money into sending the streetcar north of the river, how much traffic that would take off the bridges.
Also, is replacement really necessary to reconfiguring the north loop?