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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby earthling » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:38 pm

Is there any largish US city that has free (to ride) bus service that is city wide? Would be an incredible 'progressive' thing for KC area to pull off.

edit: This shows many in Europe/Brazil and some small towns in US, and also shows some benefits...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_publ ... de_systems

Some impact though is it may attract homeless from all over country and a transit strike could cause major problems. I don't see KC having some of the other issues listed in link.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby JBmidtown » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:45 pm

Hell I'll give each elected official a handjob if it means a free transit system that puts us among the world's greatest transit systems. Let's. Fucking. Do. It.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby shinatoo » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:23 pm

JBmidtown wrote:Hell I'll give each elected official a handjob if it means a free transit system that puts us among the world's greatest transit systems. Let's. Fucking. Do. It.


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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:44 pm

i should note that a Q2 win would certainly quicken the pace of getting there. a few less hand jobs required.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby pash » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:15 pm

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby kboish » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:05 pm

To me its a simple question of which is better- Fight over details of the route and implementation of an approved funding mechanism or day dream about getting a citywide funding mechanism approved?

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby kboish » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:08 pm

Plus, if this loses 80-20, do you think any politician will touch rail transit again for 10-15 years? Even if it loses, but its close, politicians will see value in expending political capital to keep the rail conversation alive. If it gets creamed? No one will think its worth it.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby pash » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:43 pm

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:31 pm

Pretty much, and a caveat that you can build/operate only what the tax can afford. Previous plans had neither.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby beautyfromashes » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:41 pm

^ Yes, but wouldn't what the tax could afford be a heck of a lot more than we have right now and be equitably distributed across the whole city? From the poll on another thread, it looks like most of us are voting for the plan/funding source.


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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby JLowe2018 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:12 am

I was reading the through some Board of Alderman meeting minutes for the city of Parkville and noticed something regarding the Broadway Bridge in the Mayor's miscellaneous notes...

She [Mayor Nan Johnston] met with Riverside Mayor Kathy Rose, Platte County Economic Development Council Executive Director Alicia Stephens and Dale Brouk with The National regarding the U.S. 169 Buck O’Neil Bridge and noted that the City would possibly be asked to support a transportation development district to fund a new bridge.


By the quote above it appears a TDD is being looked at to fund a new bridge.

I'd guess it would be a sales tax to fund it but I have no idea. I wonder what area it would cover? :-k

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:17 am

it would have to be a sales tax. anything else (property tax or special assessments) will trigger the multiple vote provision in the TDD act.

i've heard rumblings that a multi-county TDD (sales tax) may be needed if the trump administration and state DOTs continue to remain hostile to what cities want to build.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:04 pm

Toll still being considered?

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:29 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Toll still being considered?


lololololololol. because: northland.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:55 pm

they have the airport....think how many people will pay it that are tourists and south of the river.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:56 pm

KCPowercat wrote:they have the airport....think how many people will pay it that are tourists and south of the river.


Of course it would depend on the amount of the toll but many would probably avoid it in favor of an alternate route.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby KCPowercat » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:20 am

Agreed. It would have to be nominal.

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby flyingember » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:34 am

aknowledgeableperson wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:they have the airport....think how many people will pay it that are tourists and south of the river.


Of course it would depend on the amount of the toll but many would probably avoid it in favor of an alternate route.

I bet it would get more use than you think. Probably not enough to have people not fight it but if 2/3 of people avoid it suddenly you have an express route north.

Imaging if the three options are crazy slow on 35, stoplights on 9 or pay a toll and have clear sailing for five miles

The bond bridge was built to handle another 20k cars daily

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Re: New Broadway Bridge

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:30 pm

What is the projected cost of the new bridge and the associated improvements? And don't forget the interest costs. What would be the projected annual cost to principal and interest? And let's not forget any operating and maintenance costs to include.
Now you might have a pretty good idea what the projected toll would be based on projected traffic.


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