Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby Highlander » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:28 pm

flyingember wrote:Chastain’s efforts led the city to put the 2009 ballot item up with the KCATA. Their plan was better but he did show people wanted rail, it was the funding that was the issue.

This is a clear precursor to the TDD efforts. This effort took the lessons learned and came up with a winning method of financing with the TDD model and did it in a smart way. The free ballot signing events are the genius of the process and this selfless giving up of time is worthy of respect.

Chastains efforts really became crazy bad only after the city threw out his plan that passed. He did that 1990s recall attempt but it looks like the city refused to put petitions on the ballot then so he’s someone validated there. His name wasn’t so bad in 2008 that a majority was against it. That wasn’t true 5 years later.

It’s only about the time he left KC that his efforts went off the rails completely.


Actually, Clay started off pretty badly right out of the gates. He opposed the bistate plan for Union Station offering another plan that did not get on the ballot and then tried to overturn bistate vote at a later date. At this point, most people in area had already had enough of Chastain.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:45 pm

he also sued to stop the bus tax from taking effect (the one he later kept trying to steal).

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby flyingember » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:26 pm

Any news on the third election date?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby DaveKCMO » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:31 pm

flyingember wrote:Any news on the third election date?


no.

public involvement for the "main street extension" (now the official project name) begins this month.

also, an RFI will be issued soon to solicit alternative delivery proposals: https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ation.html

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:45 pm

So no vote until any possible RFI options come back to help flesh out the funding we'd be voting on?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby DaveKCMO » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:08 pm

KCPowercat wrote:So no vote until any possible RFI options come back to help flesh out the funding we'd be voting on?


TBD. the local money will always be needed.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:30 am

Got it

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby flyingember » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:57 am

Sounds like things are being handled well. Key thing would be good publicity on this. Don't want people thinking a delay in the last election means things are going badly.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby JBmidtown » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:59 am

DaveKCMO wrote:an update on the TDD lawsuit: http://kcrta.org/2017/11/27/judge-hears ... d-lawsuit/


What’s the expected outcome to this? And do we expect the city-wide rail vote ordinance to cause any significant delay in phase 2?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:51 pm

main street extension enters the federal transit administration's "project development" process: http://kcstreetcar.org/fta-pd/

good news for federal funding. not a guarantee of any grant, but this is step one.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby ldai_phs » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:33 pm

Is there anyway to make recommendations for the design/operations

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:23 pm

ldai_phs wrote:Is there anyway to make recommendations for the design/operations


yes. public meetings in february/march.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby Pork Chop » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:18 pm

Congrats to all involved.

KC Council throws out vote, so streetcar expansion can move toward UMKC, riverfront


The council’s 10-2 vote was based on advice from city attorneys, who said the measure as written had legal issues that exposed the city to possible lawsuits.


Proponents of the move said that while the ordinance approved Thursday strips out the legally problematic portions of the ballot question, it retains the requirement of a citywide election for future expansion of the system.

However, it defines “future” as any expansion beyond the ones currently envisioned. That effectively grandfathers the UMKC and waterfront plans out of the reach of opponents.


http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics ... 84184.html

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:50 pm

yeah that headline is trash

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby Pork Chop » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:15 pm

KCPowercat wrote:yeah that headline is trash


Agree.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby earthling » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:26 am

Biz Journal article on council approval to proceed with planning...
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... nsion.html

So Dave or someone in loop, please recap a bullet point summary of remaining hurdles/steps/conditions to pull trigger for expansion.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby ldai_phs » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:38 am

Summer Funding Election: TDD was formed. Board Members elected. Now they must approve a tax on the TDD

Federal Funding Approval: The project, as I know it, requires significant federal funding to begin. Unless a PPP was used that got around this.

Design: Determine Station Locations, Which lanes to run in, service demands, etc. I believe this needs to be completed before we apply for Federal Funds

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby earthling » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:49 am

More here on funding both extensions...
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... p-rfi.html

The three-quarter-mile extension north to Berkley Riverfront Park is expected to cost $32 million. The Streetcar Authority and KCATA hope to fund the project with a combination of support from Port KC and federal funding in the form of a Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery program (TIGER) grant.

The 3.5-mile extension south down Main Street is estimated to cost $250 million. Those estimates will be updated once a study of the extension led by HDR Engineering is completed. Because Kansas City voters approved the formation of a transportation development district (TDD) through a mail-in election in the fall, funds from that district could be used to support construction of the extension.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:32 pm

ldai_phs wrote:Summer Funding Election: TDD was formed. Board Members elected. Now they must approve a tax on the TDD

Federal Funding Approval: The project, as I know it, requires significant federal funding to begin. Unless a PPP was used that got around this.

Design: Determine Station Locations, Which lanes to run in, service demands, etc. I believe this needs to be completed before we apply for Federal Funds


what he/she said!


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