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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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This is flat out misinformation. Unbelievable.
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No surprise Sherry DeJanes is against it. One step closer to Brookside and one step closer to her getting in real trouble for expanding her backyard into to rail ROW.
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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I don't like the shooting violence hyperbole, but get your point. Plus, there are starting to be others who are building on the ROW now. If they aren't going to stop the practice, it will only continue. Probably no chance to have a Brookside extension anyway and not really sure what it would bring to the table as BKS is nice but not really a destination on the level of DT or the Plaza.
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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Or has valuable property to tax.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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^^ I'm more upset that after Freedom Inc and the east side voted down the larger streetcar project, we still voted in this last election to give them sakes tax money for 'development'. They wrecked the biggest opportunity for true development for the east side and the rest of the city. Someone explain why we gave them money with no plan when they passed on their best chance for changing the area for the better for no good reason.
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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Question. What do you expect the city to do? The property does not belong to the city, it's on ATA property correct? This is solely between ATA and her. The ATA would likely have to take a legal action to remove the encroachment, something it may not be willing to do at this time. Right now it can be considered ho harm, no foul. Besides, even the owner of the encroaching property has rights also. One can not just come in and bulldoze the encroachment.
The Lake of the Ozarks is filled with encroachments by 1st tier property owners building onto the property owned by the company that owns the lake.
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I like Pash's intensity on this but I think the purpose of transit is being lost to the abstraction of the brand of "the streetcar". The greatest benefits of urbanism are arguably density and transit and other infrastructure aiding the connection of many individuals (with their own rich worlds of ideas). This connection creates newer ideas and a healthy, thriving culture. This is just as worthy as "the streetcar". "The streetcar" is just a utilty in the goal to create a place worth living in, where there is ample shared spaces to create value in our human existence.

If we look at our projects as large stones to hurl at those who disagree, to dominate the opposition and claim our territory in the municipality, we may get 30 miles of "streetcar" by 2050. It may wind around homes and creeks and hotels and bluffs and monuments but it will be utterly meaningless. The city will be gridlocked in contentiousness. Instead of helping resuscitate a city that's already been decimated by 100+ years of divisions and mass exodus we'll only flatline what remains for the sake of the triumph of our vision. It's a wasteful way to approach urbanism. We might as well keep our fighting simplified and just lob rocks at all the other tribes who aren't our specific tribe of KC.

Let DeJanes have her space. Let her lunge at "the streetcar" and flail laughably at a mirage. She'll expose the desperation of her entitlement. At that point she'll have to really reflect on her defeat and the rest of the city can develop in a healthy way around her. I can tell you one thing for sure: after her failure she will not have an army of Kansas Citians to save her shed. She will only have her shed and we will all still live in KC.
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I hope everyone realizes that now is a good time to channel all that disappointment and frustration into seeing this expansion passed. Actually, not "seeing it passed" but helping make it pass in concrete, real world ways. And I don't just mean voting for it.

The options that remain to people who are about rail transit in KC are pretty simple:

1. "Build 6 miles of rail transit by 2050"
2. Be happy that we have 2.2
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chingon wrote:I hope everyone realizes that now is a good time to channel all that disappointment and frustration into seeing this expansion passed. Actually, not "seeing it passed" but helping make it pass in concrete, real world ways. And I don't just mean voting for it.
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chingon wrote: 1. "Build 6 miles of rail transit by 2050"
2. Be happy that we have 2.2
There's a third, messier, option available.

Build 10-15 miles by 2025. It's on the ballot in August.
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Except in reality I think that is just option 2 with a lot more money spent on lawsuits.
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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http://www.kctv5.com/story/35153400/vot ... -expansion
The streetcar has gone up and down Main Street more than 1.8 million times since its first trip almost a year ago.
Clueless Johnson County retards.

http://fox4kc.com/2017/04/14/kc-streetc ... osed-path/
“What this vote currently is doing is saying, for those of you that are in the benefits district that will use this more frequently than say others in outlying areas of Kansas City, are you willing to put your own money into this?” Mandelbaum explained.
OMG - that is the dumbest quote I've ever heard. Total laziness on her part.
Why would she word it negatively and only mention people "putting their money into this?"
She totally winged it and the press destroyed her with it. Complete fail.
How about having a prepared statement ready that includes moving the city forward and the transportation ROI that connects all of the city's attractions and amenities while decreasing traffic and the need for parking?
Something like this perhaps:

"This vote is about expanding the most successful transit development in the history of the city. It will finally connect all of KC's major attractions and amenities, the places we all love and enjoy: The City Market, downtown, Crown Center, Union Station, Westport, the Plaza and UMKC. Thousands of employees, students and visitors will ride daily to decrease traffic and parking congestion. This vote moves the city forward and completes the main spine for a future metro-wide transit system."
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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meh, I don't have much problem with what she said...could she have spun it more positively? Sure.
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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two new TDD maps -- one enhanced (darker TDD boundary, more contrast with area outside the boundary) and one simplified (TDD boundary and streetcar starter line and extension only):

https://www.16thcircuit.org/district-boundary-map

you're welcome.
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DaveKCMO wrote:two new TDD maps -- one enhanced (darker TDD boundary, more contrast with area outside the boundary) and one simplified (TDD boundary and streetcar starter line and extension only):

https://www.16thcircuit.org/district-boundary-map

you're welcome.
Thank you Dave!
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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ballot application sessions in midtown all weekend: https://www.facebook.com/pg/streetcarneighbors/events/

we've automated the application process, so all you have to do is show up, fill out a web form on an ipad, sign with your finger, then we fax it electronically right there. try the form yourself: https://streetcarvote.org/

you will need to print and mail/fax the PDF output, but it's all there (completed application + proof of voter reg from KCEB). we're working on automated faxing after the form is submitted, but not there yet.

all applications are due 5pm on may 23. ballots mailed june 20 to those who apply and meet the qualifications (registered to vote inside the district boundary -- river to 53rd, state line to campbell).
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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question about qualification for the ballot. If for some reason you do not qualify for a ballot for some technical reason (like incorrectly filling out the form, but otherwise qualifying) will you be notified in advance that you do not qualify or do they simply not send you a ballot when the time comes?
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