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Re: KC Bike share

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:04 pm

It's kind of funny how people, govt, and leaders couldn't carry less about poor sidewalk conditions, blockages, etc....but now these dockless bikes and scooters are so horrible.

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Re: KC Bike share

Post by earthling » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:27 am

bspecht wrote:What cities are 'a mess' with them? I've seen these in many cities, and that's just what change-fearing NIMBYs claim.

This will all play out over the next few years, as demand and use cases are further understood – companies will continue to refine & users will come out on top.
Seems to be the cities with several thousand bikes that have the most complaints, like Dallas, DC and Seattle. In Seattle haters are cutting break lines. Dallas cut down the number of bikes. STL and ATL only have a couple hundred dockless bikes and apparently less if any complaints.

Agree dockless can be doable if managed right. Even highly regulated NYC is just now allowing a dockless pilot. KC will have an advantage having both dock-based (reliable locations/multi-bikes) and dockless (flexibility) options. Hopefully both methods can survive in KC.

Dallas...
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/05/technol ... index.html

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Re: KC Bike share

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:20 am

earthling wrote:Hopefully both methods can survive in KC.
This is the bigger issue for me. I know that competition will lower costs and, perhaps, increase access, but I think it will also dilute the product. Right now, our bike share system seems very well run, clean, maintained, and growing. I’m worried competition will cheapen the product. Bikes will pile up in one spot instead of the orderly system we have now. Growth isn’t always better.

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Re: KC Bike share

Post by bspecht » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:40 am

beautyfromashes wrote: This is the bigger issue for me. I know that competition will lower costs and, perhaps, increase access, but I think it will also dilute the product. Right now, our bike share system seems very well run, clean, maintained, and growing. I’m worried competition will cheapen the product. Bikes will pile up in one spot instead of the orderly system we have now. Growth isn’t always better.
I get where you're coming from, but there is no evidence of this in other markets – we're far from the first to have both. In fact, overall ridership and rider diversity have been shown to grow – lifting all ships, etc. I have a very hard time finding bad in more riders on bikes, and this is just another option in the mobility stack – if anything, scooters (well-built) will be significantly more desired.

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Re: KC Bike share

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:27 am

bspecht wrote: I get where you're coming from, but there is no evidence of this in other markets – we're far from the first to have both. In fact, overall ridership and rider diversity have been shown to grow – lifting all ships, etc. I have a very hard time finding bad in more riders on bikes, and this is just another option in the mobility stack – if anything, scooters (well-built) will be significantly more desired.
More carriers always eats into profits unless the new carrier brings increased demand by having a differentiated product. I don't think dockless vs. location based brings that differentiation. So, profits per carrier will fall and will be covered by "more efficient" operations, i.e. less frequent maintenance, less frequent filling of empty locations, older bikes, etc. This sounds like a "me too" situation.

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Re: KC Bike share

Post by bspecht » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:54 pm

beautyfromashes wrote: More carriers always eats into profits unless the new carrier brings increased demand by having a differentiated product. I don't think dockless vs. location based brings that differentiation. So, profits per carrier will fall and will be covered by "more efficient" operations, i.e. less frequent maintenance, less frequent filling of empty locations, older bikes, etc. This sounds like a "me too" situation.
Differentiated product isn't the only thing that grows a pie, but dockless has that. While there's overlap, dockless will create a new user group that would never give B-cycle a shot – because there's a significant difference in friction: figure out where a dock is, figure out kiosk/payment, figure where you can dock (vs) see bike/scooter, download app, ride. B-cycle will still get dedicated & causal riders. Dockless won't be pervasive & geography will be very impactful to demand, but it's another option that fits in & (I believe) helps grow mobility demand.

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Re: KC Bike share

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:59 pm

^ Yep, just differ in opinions on this one. I guess we'll see. I contend one will float to the top and the other will die out. If either option don't see the other as competition, they better get ready for a fight.

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Post by flyingember » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:40 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:^ Yep, just differ in opinions on this one. I guess we'll see. I contend one will float to the top and the other will die out. If either option don't see the other as competition, they better get ready for a fight.
There's multiple taxi companies serving the same areas today.

Don't under estimate different pricing models letting them all succeed like company A has a high monthly cost and no use fee while company B has no subscription and a high per ride cost. (the former is for regular users, the latter one time like a tourist)

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Re: KC Bike share

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:19 pm

That’s a pretty weak differentiator. Do you think a tourist is going to ‘shop around’ to find a bike that is $3/ride vs. $4? And don’t you think the market leader is going to adjust pricing to compete? They’re going to poach each other, which might be good for customer pricing but bad for expansion throughout the city and for quality of product. Good luck in your venture.

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Re: KC Bike share

Post by taxi » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:40 pm

Here's a fun video about the "bike angels" in NYC.
https://youtu.be/HWZyfvN7Vg8

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