New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby DaveKCMO » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:27 am

KCPowercat wrote:So this would.connect KC to Dallas via OKC?


initially it would just extend the heartland flyer train from OKC to newton, where passengers would connect with the southwest chief. there's a coach bus that makes that connection now that started operating a few years back.

post-brownback, KDOT would need to provide operating assistance to the heartland flyer to match route mileage (a similar arrangement existing now between ODOT and TxDOT for the existing flyer). amtrak is not allowed to operate any train that runs less than 750 miles, and this would be about 600 (thus, operations would need to be paid 100% by states or private entities).

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby DaveKCMO » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:20 pm

http://www.gctelegram.com/news/20180126 ... enger-rail

If you live in Kansas, contact your state legislators and let them know you support this.

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby tower » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:20 pm

I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think this should happen. I would rather they upgrade the current routes, either in speed or in service. This is actually my philosophy with Amtrak in general. There is no point building sub 70 mph, 5hr rail between midsize, car dominated cities. I drove to OKC this year for work, and if I had the option of taking the train... I still would've driven.

If this is a state subsidized route it changes my opinion a bit, but not much. I'm sure Kansas can find more worthy rail projects. Running a commuter train between Lawrence and Union Station comes to mind.
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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby ldai_phs » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:12 pm

A route to Newtown alone really makes little sense. Connections to KC will be basically impossible. They either need a Fast Route to KC or not route at all. A Line from KC through Kansas(Lawrence, Topeka, etc) to Denver makes the most sense of all IMHO.

Additionally, if they wanted a phased build-out why not do something that starts in KC. That way the highest ridership sections are built first. Connecting KC to Kansas makes a whole lot more sense than connecting Dallas/OKC with Newton.
Example Build Out
Phase One: KC to Lawrence
Phase Two: Extend to Topeka
Phase Three: Extend to Emporia or Netwon
Phase Four: Extend to OKC.

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby flyingember » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:41 pm

The most useful Amtrak upgrades for KC would be

Improvements all the way to La Junta, CO and build new track to Denver and OKC.
from KC to Omaha and onto Minneapolis
St. Louis to Carbondale

What this does it is cuts a lot of long distance go around for a lot of cities. There's other good improvements, but these piggyback KC onto other cities. Like the OKC and Minneapolis branch benefits Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Denver, OKC, KC, St. Louis, Omaha and Minneapolis with more direct routes between these cities

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:47 pm

The lobbying push is coming from Wichita.

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby ldai_phs » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:04 pm

Is there any talk about a KC to Topeka route or such?

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:24 pm

ldai_phs wrote:Is there any talk about a KC to Topeka route or such?


If the Newton connection is successful, it would lay the groundwork for the daytime train between Fort Worth and Kansas City, with stops in Topeka and Lawrence (like the current Southwest Chief).

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby tower » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:26 pm

The problem with the longer routes is that they are more susceptible to delays (due to freight). A shorter route may be less so. Only time I've ridden the southwestern chief it was delayed three hours. If getting the route from Newton to OKC allowed them to add another line on the SC rails from Newton to KC, fine, but I'd rather just have the Newton or Topeka to KC route. I would rather them not add long distance routes until more of the current routes are 100+ mph. Faster, shorter routes give them more money for new routes.

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:18 pm

tower wrote:The problem with the longer routes is that they are more susceptible to delays (due to freight). A shorter route may be less so. Only time I've ridden the southwestern chief it was delayed three hours. If getting the route from Newton to OKC allowed them to add another line on the SC rails from Newton to KC, fine, but I'd rather just have the Newton or Topeka to KC route. I would rather them not add long distance routes until more of the current routes are 100+ mph. Faster, shorter routes give them more money for new routes.


Amtrak cannot operate routes less than 750 miles by law unless 100% subsidized by states.

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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby shinatoo » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:36 am

Then I propose a new route from St.Louis to Denver. Call it the Prarie Schooner.
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Re: New AMTRAK route between Kansas City and Oklahoma City

Postby herrfrank » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:49 pm

I wonder if a new route from KC to Wichita would also facilitate a dream among some Amtrak long distance managers to re-route the Southwest Chief on the higher-speed and double-tracked BNSF mainline (the line by I-35 that bypasses Olathe and heads south to Wichita and Amarillo, eventually turning west to New Mexico).

It might shave several hours off of the Chicago - LA travel time.


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