Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by kcjak » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:09 am

The article mentions that the group didn't want the images released to the public because they needed 'refinement' so hopefully there is still some room for improvement, like for full length awnings. Also, bench seating for streetcars only faces east - should be staggered between NB and SB streetcars.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by earthling » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:30 am

Full length awning with 2 full length benches back to back would be simple and effective. Same for bus stop with one long bench.

However if they don't do that in other parts of metro it's a custom solution requiring custom maintenance. That might be the thinking of using standard stop shelters in a row.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by flyingember » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:58 am

earthling wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:30 am
Full length awning with 2 full length benches back to back would be simple and effective. Same for bus stop with one long bench.

However if they don't do that in other parts of metro it's a custom solution requiring custom maintenance. That might be the thinking of using standard stop shelters in a row.
Let's say that's the main reason. They could put six of them in place, tighter together.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by langosta » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:55 am

earthling wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:30 am
Full length awning with 2 full length benches back to back would be simple and effective. Same for bus stop with one long bench.

However if they don't do that in other parts of metro it's a custom solution requiring custom maintenance. That might be the thinking of using standard stop shelters in a row.
1 continuous line of benches divides the platform.

I agree that the awnings should be extended if possible (similar to a traditional LR station) but there is probably enough seating already. Benches take the places of multiple standing passengers and most passengers won’t be waiting that long for a train.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:57 am

One long bench thing would be annoying. One long awning with breaks in it to go between would be nice.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by flyingember » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:14 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:57 am
One long bench thing would be annoying. One long awning with breaks in it to go between would be nice.
Look at the McGowen stop in Houston. That's kind of what I picture

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:10 pm

moderne wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:26 am
Their map is once again showing the station at Linwood instead of 31st. Have they changed their mind again?
He used an old map. It's 31st. The article has been corrected.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by moderne » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:32 pm

Thanks, I thought that station was secured.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by FangKC » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:23 am

Streetcar Authority Reveals Concepts for New Stops on Main, CC Plaza

https://cityscenekc.com/streetcar-autho ... -cc-plaza/

Ditch the glass roof design on the stops. I don't understand why anyone would force people to sit in the hot sun on a 100 degree day without proper shade.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:19 am

Kcpd instructions if I recall correctly

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by Midtownkid » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:10 pm

FangKC wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:23 am
Streetcar Authority Reveals Concepts for New Stops on Main, CC Plaza

https://cityscenekc.com/streetcar-autho ... -cc-plaza/

Ditch the glass roof design on the stops. I don't understand why anyone would force people to sit in the hot sun on a 100 degree day without proper shade.
That stop should have a Spanish look. Red Tile Roof. Smooth concrete archways holding it up. Think LA Union Station.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by flyingember » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:39 pm

Midtownkid wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:10 pm

That stop should have a Spanish look. Red Tile Roof. Smooth concrete archways holding it up. Think LA Union Station.
Why? It's not on the Plaza and there's multiple buildings equally far away without a Spanish look.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by shinatoo » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:13 pm

flyingember wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:39 pm
Midtownkid wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:10 pm

That stop should have a Spanish look. Red Tile Roof. Smooth concrete archways holding it up. Think LA Union Station.
Why? It's not on the Plaza and there's multiple buildings equally far away without a Spanish look.
It's the Plaza stop.
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by mister816 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:24 pm

flyingember wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:39 pm
Midtownkid wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:10 pm

That stop should have a Spanish look. Red Tile Roof. Smooth concrete archways holding it up. Think LA Union Station.
Why? It's not on the Plaza and there's multiple buildings equally far away without a Spanish look.
why not?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by flyingember » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:32 pm

mister816 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:24 pm
flyingember wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:39 pm
Midtownkid wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:10 pm

That stop should have a Spanish look. Red Tile Roof. Smooth concrete archways holding it up. Think LA Union Station.
Why? It's not on the Plaza and there's multiple buildings equally far away without a Spanish look.
why not?
Branding consistency. A rider always can look for the same stop in the same colors. Don’t underestimate the value of this for a new rider.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by GRID » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:06 pm

So for the plaza stop, northbound has a dedicated bus lane and shelters. What about southbound?

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by shinatoo » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:15 am

GRID wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:06 pm
So for the plaza stop, northbound has a dedicated bus lane and shelters. What about southbound?
At the Plaza stop, both lanes of the streetcar and the dedicated bus lanes will be on the east side of Main in a transit plaza. It shows that in the rendering if you take another look.

My question is where will the UMKC stop be? Does it move to the Wiggings trail, in the old ROW, at that point?
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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by flyingember » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:36 am

shinatoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:15 am
GRID wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:06 pm
So for the plaza stop, northbound has a dedicated bus lane and shelters. What about southbound?
At the Plaza stop, both lanes of the streetcar and the dedicated bus lanes will be on the east side of Main in a transit plaza. It shows that in the rendering if you take another look.

My question is where will the UMKC stop be? Does it move to the Wiggings trail, in the old ROW, at that point?
This document on the website has the entire corridor alignment on it
http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... gnment.pdf

Can even see an extension of the trail on it.

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by KCDowntown » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:48 am

There's a video of the streetcar running from Union Station south to UMKC on the KCStreetcar Main St Extension page as well...

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Re: Phase 2 streetcar to UMKC

Post by kcjak » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:13 am

flyingember wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:36 am
shinatoo wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:15 am
GRID wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:06 pm
So for the plaza stop, northbound has a dedicated bus lane and shelters. What about southbound?
At the Plaza stop, both lanes of the streetcar and the dedicated bus lanes will be on the east side of Main in a transit plaza. It shows that in the rendering if you take another look.

My question is where will the UMKC stop be? Does it move to the Wiggings trail, in the old ROW, at that point?
This document on the website has the entire corridor alignment on it
http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/uploa ... gnment.pdf

Can even see an extension of the trail on it.
What's going on with the trail crossing the street at Westport Rd?

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