Bird Scooters Have Landed

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by tower » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:20 am

WoodDraw wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:58 am
tower wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:51 am
WoodDraw wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:00 am


I think the combination of streetcar + cars + pedestrians makes it too dangerous. You have tracks on the street, stops that will make scooter drivers want to get around, and no space.

I don't understand why anyone would ride a bike down main either. Just go any other street and then cut over.
I would say the same for cars. Why don't we get rid of the on street parking and extend the sidewalk into the road instead? It would solve a lot of conflicts with the streetcar and would further discourage driving on the street.
We have to live in the reality we have, and main would cost an insane amount of money to redo. It's just not feasible.

I am all for road diets on other streets though.
I may be missing something, but I don't think it would neccesarily be any more expensive than any other road. You have work around the streetcar, but you don't have to move it's infrastructure.

Either way, a more effective way to keep riders off main would be to improve biking on streets around grand. Riders are already not supposed to be on the sidewalks, very few follow that rule.

Banning scooter parking on main might also be effective. People probably won't use a street they can't park on.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by earthling » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:51 am

Summary of some options discussed for Main....

- City enforces sidewalk with fines along Main and maybe other streets that tend to be heavy with pedestrians. 12th St as well? No street restrictions.

- Bird red zones Main through CBD/Xroads but city only enforces sidewalks. This discourages usage along Main (on street) but no fine for riding on street. Riders can park near Main along the nearest cross street intersection.

- City bans scooters/bikes along Main altogether, potential fines.

- Redo Main, no parking, widen sidewalks where possible. Realistic?

- Doing nothing means 15mph riders on busiest downtown sidewalk and run-ins with people at streetcar platform. Jittery riders/peds might tumble off platform. Street riders could also get stuck in track, flip, gets injured (cyclists too for that matter). Streetcar is shutdown for scooter injury.

What else?

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by beautyfromashes » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:53 pm

Between US and the Plaza there is hardly any on street parking anyway. Mostly, it’s the bus lane which, I assume, would be eliminated with the streetcar? Someone ‘important’ must be complaining about parking for them to keep it instead of having a bike/scooter lane.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by earthling » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:16 pm

Despite Bird adding more scooters (well over 100 total) second week of service, by 3:15PM today (Sat) there were under 30 left on map many with low power, implying heavy usage whether rest out of service or checked out at time.

Several found there way to Plaza area. Hopefully a Midtown/Plaza expansion will come soon, maybe with Lime if not Bird. Lime has bigger batteries/more miles per charge.
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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by KCPowercat » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:17 pm

I assumed the blocking would just indicate to people scooting to "avoid riding this area" not parking.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by earthling » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:20 pm

^For the cities that have red zones, the Bird app mostly states... "No Ride or Park Zone. Please do not ride or park Birds on the XYZ Zone." Though I did see a couple that just said do not park Bird in zone and some that just say 'no ride, no nests' zone.

In Dallas, Deep Ellum's main drag is a no ride stretch but doesn't say no parking, it says 'No Ride Zone. No Nests". It's for Elm St only, not rest of area.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by DaveKCMO » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:48 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:53 pm
Between US and the Plaza there is hardly any on street parking anyway. Mostly, it’s the bus lane which, I assume, would be eliminated with the streetcar? Someone ‘important’ must be complaining about parking for them to keep it instead of having a bike/scooter lane.
It's as simple as "Main is not in the new bike plan", unfortunately.

As far as I know, no new Bird scooters have been added to KC. Just the original 100.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by beautyfromashes » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:55 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:48 pm
It's as simple as "Main is not in the new bike plan", unfortunately.

As far as I know, no new Bird scooters have been added to KC. Just the original 100.
I think that is a mistake by Main Street businesses that they will regret in the future. A bike lane will drive future business more than a few parking spots in front of your door. But, I understand the place you’re in. Perhaps best not to create enemies to the good for the sake of pursuing the best. I wish Maincor would push harder for it.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by earthling » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:09 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:48 pm

As far as I know, no new Bird scooters have been added to KC. Just the original 100.
I didn't count all manually but the Bird app map shows 'over 100' right now, started last week. And some may be checked out and Chargers may not be done deploying all (as of 7AM). Seems they did drop off more mid-last week as there is more morning dropoff density in CBD since opening day.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by brewcrew1000 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:39 am

Eric Bunch and Justus will be on KCUR today at 11 talking about the scooters and dockless bikes

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by earthling » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:47 am

Bird offers discounts to people with low incomes, waives $1 fee.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/business/ ... cle/527688

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by DaveKCMO » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:37 pm

Lime will be ready to launch within weeks of having an interim operating agreement with KCMO. No such agreement is required for NKC, only a business license.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by smh » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:51 am

Had the opportunity to ride a Lime scooter yesterday. Can confirm they are superior to Bird. Faster, more robust feeling, and include a speedometer.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:01 am

Speedometer seems hokey

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by smh » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:25 am

KCPowercat wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:01 am
Speedometer seems hokey
Fair enough, I mean it is a scooter after all. But it was kind of nice to know how fast you were going.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:34 am

KCPowercat wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:01 am
Speedometer seems hokey
Having lived with a Lime scooter for about a week, I use the speedometer check speed:

- When going up a hill in traffic
- When walking alongside the scooter (I walk 4mph!)

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by earthling » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:52 am

Any indication if KC will get Lime scooters only or bikes as well?
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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by KCPowercat » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:59 am

Prob used wrong word...it's cool just not sure how useful...but dave just proved it is

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by tower » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:00 am

I wonder if the speedometers may cause people to go faster than they are comfortable with.

Off topic, but I've also wondered the same about cars, particularly on the freeway.

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Re: Bird Scooters Have Landed

Post by anonkcmo » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:29 pm

smh wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:51 am
Had the opportunity to ride a Lime scooter yesterday. Can confirm they are superior to Bird. Faster, more robust feeling, and include a speedometer.
Are you saying you can peel out on a Lime?

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