We need a new airport!!!

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby flyingember » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:11 pm

KCPowercat wrote:The only thing this terminal may want to add is a place that a rail or brt station could hook into without looking like an add on

They already said this was in the plans. I would like to see it not be -OR- but rather both. Have enough space that could bring in two trains, multiple express busses from across the city and the airport busses all to the same spot

The related thing the city should do a quick engineering plan to define a general track path away from the airport. Could see it being multiple options identified, like A would go through Tiffany Springs, B through Zona Rosa and C would bypass both but be shorter.

Don't need to do a lot of work or know the grades, but drawing a line and saying any work within X feet get an extra look at to make sure it wouldn't interfere would go a long way.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby WoodDraw » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:20 pm

BRT makes far more sense than rail right now. I'm picturing something kind of Barcelona style to start with which I've always found really easy and enjoyable. Limited stops and all feeding into the streetcar.

Nothing wrong with charging more if it's nice and reliable. I'd brand it separately than the local busses too if I was in charge.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby FangKC » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:24 am

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FangKC wrote:Did anyone bring up anything practical like places for people to shower and change clothes when they are stuck in the airport because of storms, or delays? Perhaps those small sleeping pods like they have in Japan that you can rent by the hour. I always feel sorry for people stuck overnight at KCI who are shown on TV sleeping upright in chairs or on the floor.


This is a good idea, but I think the only way it would happen is if an airline paid to open a club.

On a related note, what do people think about connecting a hotel to the airport? I know one of the proposals recommended it.


I was talking about a facility that all delayed flyers could use, not some club operated by the largest carrier for their customers. People traveling on small carriers get trapped in the airport too, and they need access to facilities where they can shower and perhaps change clothes. Many travelers get caught in storms, and some don't have the money to go to a hotel--students for example. It doesn't have to be huge, just a small area with separate facilities for men and women where they can pay a small fee for a shower, soap, and towels; and a dressing room.

I think it's a good idea to connect a hotel to the terminal. Many travelers who are delayed by storms hate being shuttled to off-site hotels. Even business travelers appreciates staying onsite. Waiting for, and taking, a shuttle bus adds unpredictable travel time and the traveler has to compensate for that to get back to the airport for their rescheduled flight.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby WoodDraw » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:38 am

I agree with everything fang said and someone please bring it up at the design meetings.

For an example of why a connected hotel is so great, I have a stupidly bad flight coming up in a different city. I get in at noon, have a few meetings, and fly out at 530am the next day. Shuttles are stressful and you constantly have to worry if they're going to be there. But I want some place to nap and shower. They also often will give you day rooms if you just need to work or nap or shower before you leave.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby ldai_phs » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:52 am

FangKC wrote:
WoodDraw wrote:
FangKC wrote:Did anyone bring up anything practical like places for people to shower and change clothes when they are stuck in the airport because of storms, or delays? Perhaps those small sleeping pods like they have in Japan that you can rent by the hour. I always feel sorry for people stuck overnight at KCI who are shown on TV sleeping upright in chairs or on the floor.


This is a good idea, but I think the only way it would happen is if an airline paid to open a club.

On a related note, what do people think about connecting a hotel to the airport? I know one of the proposals recommended it.


I was talking about a facility that all delayed flyers could use, not some club operated by the largest carrier for their customers. People traveling on small carriers get trapped in the airport too, and they need access to facilities where they can shower and perhaps change clothes. Many travelers get caught in storms, and some don't have the money to go to a hotel--students for example. It doesn't have to be huge, just a small area with separate facilities for men and women where they can pay a small fee for a shower, soap, and towels; and a dressing room.

I think it's a good idea to connect a hotel to the terminal. Many travelers who are delayed by storms hate being shuttled to off-site hotels. Even business travelers appreciates staying onsite. Waiting for, and taking, a shuttle bus adds unpredictable travel time and the traveler has to compensate for that to get back to the airport for their rescheduled flight.


Would be interesting to see where it would go. I was told that because of where the Control Tower is, we will probably have to build a second terminal on top of where B is today if we ever need to expand past the 42 gates. So the B and C areas probably can't hold the hotel

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby FangKC » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:40 pm

Image

ldai_phs wrote:
Would be interesting to see where it would go. I was told that because of where the Control Tower is, we will probably have to build a second terminal on top of where B is today if we ever need to expand past the 42 gates. So the B and C areas probably can't hold the hotel


From the images Edgemoor has provided, I can see two locations for a hotel, which I've indicated in the illustration above as "A" and "B." The proposed garage is six levels, so the hotel building could probably be that tall as well without affecting the control tower.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby ldai_phs » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:39 pm

FangKC wrote:Image

ldai_phs wrote:
Would be interesting to see where it would go. I was told that because of where the Control Tower is, we will probably have to build a second terminal on top of where B is today if we ever need to expand past the 42 gates. So the B and C areas probably can't hold the hotel


From the images Edgemoor has provided, I can see two locations for a hotel, which I've indicated in the illustration above as "A" and "B." The proposed garage is six levels, so the hotel building could probably be that tall as well without affecting the control tower.

This image is not from edgemoor......

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby KCPowercat » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:10 pm

I still think they should explore more on an X design vs the H

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:45 pm

KCPowercat wrote:I can't imagine going to a design meeting of a billion dollar facility and my input is electrical outlets.

So is Kansas City though


But it is those small little details may end up being overlooked and then when built people wonder why somebody didn't think of that.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby TheLastGentleman » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:19 am

ldai_phs wrote:This image is not from edgemoor......


You're right. I've tried to figure out where this image originated, but I can only ever find it in articles, none of which say where it came from. My best guess is that city hall made it to promote the idea of a new airport. It's been floating around since 2013 at least.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby KCPowercat » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:56 am

Someone should really tell them to have jetways or that detail might be missed.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby bobbyhawks » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:21 am

Looks like precheck in the Southwest area is getting a taste of what a new airport will be like. They moved all TSA precheck traffic for Southwest through the "secret" gate and removed normal entry from that gate. It will make both more efficient at checking people in, but precheck folks will have to walk a bit more. Unfortunately, those without precheck who use to use the "secret" gate have to use the more populated one.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:55 am

The 100 steps to the gate died at kci years ago.... The new precheck location works well except they need someone to help non precheck people before they get into line. Signs are everywhere but many don't pay attention

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby Eon Blue » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:59 pm

bobbyhawks wrote:Looks like precheck in the Southwest area is getting a taste of what a new airport will be like. They moved all TSA precheck traffic for Southwest through the "secret" gate and removed normal entry from that gate. It will make both more efficient at checking people in, but precheck folks will have to walk a bit more. Unfortunately, those without precheck who use to use the "secret" gate have to use the more populated one.

I just went through the new Pre-Check gate this morning. There was essentially no line for the security screening, but the walk was indeed longer.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby bobbyhawks » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:56 pm

Eon Blue wrote:
bobbyhawks wrote:Looks like precheck in the Southwest area is getting a taste of what a new airport will be like. They moved all TSA precheck traffic for Southwest through the "secret" gate and removed normal entry from that gate. It will make both more efficient at checking people in, but precheck folks will have to walk a bit more. Unfortunately, those without precheck who use to use the "secret" gate have to use the more populated one.

I just went through the new Pre-Check gate this morning. There was essentially no line for the security screening, but the walk was indeed longer.

There was a line when I went through at ~7:00 AM, but it took less than 5 minutes. At least one person was turned away who didn't see it was now a TSA pre-check only entrance. The walk is on par with other airports and takes just a few minutes, but it does run you directly by the slightly better and less busy Starbuck's location.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby Eon Blue » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:59 am

The (new?) Starbucks was a pleasant surprise.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby shinatoo » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:59 am

It's been there a while. Maybe a year.
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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby moderne » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:23 am

The sci-fi movie "Passengers" has a circular waterfall fountain like the one proposed for the new terminal, only not two story. Appears actually to use very little water with sheet of water held together by surface tension.

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby WSPanic » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:30 pm

So, the City Council voted down the memo of understanding with Edgemoore.

What happens now?

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Re: We need a new airport!!!

Postby cityscape » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:59 pm

WTF. Anyone know the reasons or what happens now?


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