Streetcar to the riverfront

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by northlandnate » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:55 pm

DaveKCMO wrote: operationally, riverfront would only become a spur if you extend north of the river on the heart of america bridge. as of today, it would simply be the northern terminus of a 7-mile (!) streetcar line.
However, it might be just another stop if a dedicated transit bridge is built with a NKC extension?

/fantasy

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by flyingember » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:35 pm

northlandnate wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote: operationally, riverfront would only become a spur if you extend north of the river on the heart of america bridge. as of today, it would simply be the northern terminus of a 7-mile (!) streetcar line.
However, it might be just another stop if a dedicated transit bridge is built with a NKC extension?

/fantasy
A dedicated bridge was $40 million in 2014.
A single track lane on the hoa bridge was $15-35 million

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by normalthings » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:20 pm

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar ... 49623.html

Nice video showing the streetcar extension, KCATA Rivermarket Development(heavily scaled back), and Riverfront Development.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:40 am

Exciting...this needs to happen for many reasons.

https://cityscenekc.com/casino/

Of course it was first on kcrag.

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=20237&start=20#p561607

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by KC_JAYHAWK » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:02 am

KCPowercat wrote:Exciting...this needs to happen for many reasons.

https://cityscenekc.com/casino/

Of course it was first on kcrag.

viewtopic.php?f=44&t=20237&start=20#p561607

I would hope they would blow up the current casino and build a new one much bigger and nicer, with a hotel added.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:23 am

Sure. It's pretty much a dump...it's also low on why this is a good idea.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by grovester » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:36 am

On to Knuckleheads!

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by mister816 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:04 pm

If the casino isn't chipping in for the dedicated stop then this should be killed immediately.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by kboish » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:07 pm

If the casino isn't chipping in for fully funding the dedicated stop then this should be killed immediately.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:07 pm

mister816 wrote:If the casino isn't chipping in for the dedicated stop then this should be killed immediately.
I actually agree. It's being discussed because that is an option.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by normalthings » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:25 pm

kboish wrote:If the casino isn't chipping in for fully funding the dedicated stop then this should be killed immediately.
A connection to factory jobs in the east bottoms would be beneficial if the system is also expanded to more working class neighborhoods.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by Riverite » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:46 pm

Yeah if this could be moved towards the east bottoms that could eventually be the endpoint for a potential north south line with prospect and chesnut.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by normalthings » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:17 pm

Riverite wrote:Yeah if this could be moved towards the east bottoms that could eventually be the endpoint for a potential north south line with prospect and chesnut.
The key is going to be figuring out how to greatly reduce the build cost per mile.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by kcjak » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:24 pm

ldai_phs wrote:
Riverite wrote:Yeah if this could be moved towards the east bottoms that could eventually be the endpoint for a potential north south line with prospect and chesnut.
The key is going to be figuring out how to greatly reduce the build cost per mile.
And address the constant bottlenecks of freight trains that would impact streetcar schedules.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by kboish » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:06 pm

ldai_phs wrote:
kboish wrote:If the casino isn't chipping in for fully funding the dedicated stop then this should be killed immediately.
A connection to factory jobs in the east bottoms would be beneficial if the system is also expanded to more working class neighborhoods.
I didn't think about that, and you're right, that would be a good case for the casino not covering costs beyond its doorstep. I have a feeling it will just extend the spur to the doorstep of the casino, though. Which I hope happens btw.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by DaveKCMO » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:40 am

No TIGER grant. Winners announced yesterday. Over 60% went to rural projects! Very few transit winners, and zero rail projects. Welcome to Trumpland!

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by tower » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:49 pm

PortKC still plans to fund this without the grant, right? Where do they expect to get the money from?

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by DaveKCMO » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:49 pm

tower wrote:PortKC still plans to fund this without the grant, right? Where do they expect to get the money from?
I'm told yes.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by FangKC » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:54 pm

If I understand correctly, PortKC can finance using bonds that don't require a city vote.

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Re: Streetcar to the riverfront

Post by normalthings » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:07 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
tower wrote:PortKC still plans to fund this without the grant, right? Where do they expect to get the money from?
I'm told yes.
What happens with the Plaza Extension if there is not federal money? Scale Back design? Single Track sections?

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