Cop killing now in vogue, once a week lately

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Cop killing now in vogue, once a week lately

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San Diego this week. Thank you police for your service.
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This is always a problem worth investigating and trying to reduce the numbers of tragic police deaths, but the average number of police shootings resulting in death per year over the last 10 years is almost exactly 1 per week (52.1). This year is at a higher pace than that so far, and there are tensions from multiple angles that make the issue more present in our minds, but the numbers are such that one event or a few weeks of non-event can greatly shift the numbers. Here's to hoping the weeks of non-event start to stack up.
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This site lists the number of policemen killed by year starting in 1791. Some surprising stuff, especially when you take the size of the population into account.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fat ... /year.html
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Good to know but there seems to be something different now. Some are now pre-meditated cop killings/ambush and also more anti-cop sentiment with certain factions. Such as individuals not serving cops in restaurants. The count may not be higher but the intent is maybe starting to change from reactive situation in a scene (say from a pull over or crime scene situation) to pro-active cop targeting/ambushing or gutsier reactive killing due to recent momentum. That is, a bank robbery that goes bad and ends up with cops dead, that is not initial intent to kill cops. I suspect past numbers are mostly reactive cop killing, not pre-meditated intent. And wonder if even some reactive killings lately could be somewhat copycat... violent guy with warrant gets pulled over, decides to shoot cop more as a dare with the cop killing media attention lately and growing anti-cop sentiment with some.

Hopefully it doesn't get worse but the context seems different now even if the numbers aren't.
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Thought this chart was particularly interesting http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fat ... auses.html

I would have anticipated shootings to be much higher.
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This claims officers shot to death up 79% compared to same period last year...
http://ktla.com/2016/07/29/two-san-dieg ... s-unknown/

It might be nearly impossible to differentiate in the stats but would be good to see history of cop killings that are pre-meditated or with cop hate bias vs. killings that were reaction to a scene not intending to kill cops as primary motive (like a bank robbery gone bad or domestic dispute that ends with a cop killed). I suspect the pre-meditated or cop hate bias killings lately are indeed on an increase.
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earthling wrote:This claims officers shot to death up 79% compared to same period last year...
http://ktla.com/2016/07/29/two-san-dieg ... s-unknown/

It might be nearly impossible to differentiate in the stats but would be good to see history of cop killings that are pre-meditated or with cop hate bias vs. killings that were reaction to a scene not intending to kill cops as primary motive (like a bank robbery gone bad or domestic dispute that ends with a cop killed). I suspect the pre-meditated or cop hate bias killings lately are indeed on an increase.
You can take any single stat in comparison to one year and draw a startling conclusion. If you compare this year to 2014, officers shot to death are up 6% to this point in the year. If you compare to 2011, officers shot to death are down -26% to this point in the year. Nobody is denying that cop shootings are a bad problem that should be worked on, or that we have things occurring now that have led to increased friction between the police and certain communities. However, the outcry on the Republican side was not there in 2011 when 73 officers were shot to death. Of note, Black Lives Matter did not exist yet, and there was not as much of a mentality that you cannot be critical of the police and still support them. That people are suddenly so concerned about the situation is mostly attributed to the extreme nature of the recent shootings and the fact that they play right into a narrative set forth by the Republican candidate for president. Each side of the coin have been bad about pitting one side vs. the other, but the "feelings" on both sides have often overwhelmed the facts. Unfortunately, the fear and feelings seem to be feeding the problem more than any other factor.
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I wouldn't play politics with this but it does seem what is happening lately is different situation as I've stated. Proclaiming that stats are about the same/decreasing w/out digging into the context probably shouldn't be something to ignore and worse to play politics with it (and yeah that is happening but I'm not biting).

Politics aside, seems reasonable to suspect that pre-meditated or cop hate bias killings lately are indeed on an increase, but might be too difficult to realistically measure in comparison. Restaurant workers willing to be fired for not serving cops doesn't raise eyebrows? No connection at all with growing anti-cop sentiment?
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