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Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:39 pm
by phuqueue
grovester wrote:
phuqueue wrote:I agree that if 50 Republicans vote for the nominee anyway, it doesn't make sense to punish red state Dems who latch onto a fait accompli. No Dem should be the deciding vote though.
As for Collins, while she says she won't use a "litmus test", she does want a candidate with good "judicial temperament" and a "respect for precedent".

That's code for "Wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade"
That has literally never been code for "Wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade" on any other nominee she's ever voted on. If the new judge is the fifth vote to dismantle Roe, Collins will have voted yes on four of those five (with Thomas predating her Senate tenure).
Barack Obama wrote:“The Democrats’ job is not to exaggerate; the Democrats’ job is not to simply mimic the tactics of the other side. All we have to do is work hard on behalf of that truth. And if we do, we’ll get better outcomes.”
Counterpoint: Obama spent eight years doing this and look where we are now.

Not that I think the Dems should "exaggerate" or lie -- and I don't think they need to, either. In a vacuum, if you strip away everybody's dumb tribal identities and all the bullshit, Dem policies are more popular than GOP policies. But they should absolutely "mimic the tactics" of the GOP in other respects, because the GOP has proven those tactics work. For instance, if by some miracle, the Dems retake the Senate (unlikely) before a new justice is confirmed (even more unlikely), they should blockade any nominee, just as McConnell did. If they retake the entire federal government in 2020, they should pack the court and admit DC and Puerto Rico as new states. They tried "when they go low, we go high," and it was an astonishing failure. It's time for them to try "when they take off the gloves, we put on the brass knuckles."
I absolutely agree with the last part of your post. The game has changed.

And WTF about Kennedy's son working for Deutsche Bank and Donald Trump? You can't make this shit up!
Yeah the entire administration is just infested with corruption. So many of these people belong in prison. And hopefully some of them will end up there.

Re: Politics

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:25 pm
by FangKC
Top Pence aide Nick Ayers denies breaking the law while running Greitens campaign
Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff denies allegations in a newly filed ethics complaint that he violated Missouri campaign finance laws while helping to run former Gov. Eric Greitens’ 2016 campaign.

Nick Ayers served as Greitens' top political consultant in 2016 and was later paid by Greitens' nonprofit, A New Missouri Inc. His protégé, Austin Chambers, was Greitens’ top adviser during his 17 months as governor.
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In a complaint filed Tuesday with the Missouri Ethics Commission against Greitens' campaign and nonprofit, Ayers is accused of helping both entities commit multiple campaign finance violations — most notably illegally working to conceal the identity of donors.
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https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politi ... 79755.html

Re: Politics

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:06 pm
by brewcrew1000
I heard something on the radio today about this Q conspriacy "Qanon" - Its crazy what these people are believing and these Q people can basically take anything and spin it into there own conspiracy/narrative, its basically taking the Alex Jones show to the mainstream - One topic in the Conspiracy is that The GOP lost the Alabama special election for Jeff Sessions’s Senate seat on purpose — a plan devised years ago to reveal the use of fraudulent voting machines and, ultimately, take down none other than George Soros. Or the Rothschilds. Or the Illuminati.

There are numerous accusations floating around the QAnon world. Some suggest Clinton and Obama are in cahoots with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Others suggest they, along with Hollywood figures and other world leaders, are participants in a global pedophile ring

WTF is happening to this country?

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/02/63474938 ... rump-world

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... 900c6d03af

And have you seen the video of the CNN reporter getting Heckled at the Tampa Rally? Trump is basically taking politics and turning it into a WWE style event.

Re: Politics

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:01 pm
by grovester
If only it were as innocent as a WWE event.

There are about 35% of the electorate who are completely detached from reality.

Re: Politics

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:12 pm
by mean
It would be funny if not so potentially deadly for the country. Our susceptibility to insanely stupid propaganda and conspiracy theories is shocking.

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:59 pm
by FangKC
Emails related to Kobach-led voting commission show ‘pre-ordained outcome,’ Dem says
Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap released a trove of documents Friday afternoon that he says show that the leaders of a disbanded presidential commission went into an investigation of voter fraud with predetermined outcomes.

Dunlap, a Democrat, served on the commission but filed suit against the federal government for the documents after he said he was left out of key discussions related to the commission, which was headed by Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach.

“Contrary to what we were promised, these documents show that there was, in fact, a pre-ordained outcome to this commission to demonstrate widespread voter fraud,without any evidence to back it up,” Dunlap said in a letter to Pence and Kobach.

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https://www.kansascity.com/news/politic ... 64545.html

Re: Politics

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:12 am
by FangKC
The snake-oil salesman.

Kobach promised cities help. It cost them millions — and powered his political rise

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politic ... 74130.html

Re: Politics

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:15 pm
by WSPanic
Any thoughts about Tuesday's election? Right to Work/Prop A seems to be the biggest issue on the KCMO ballot. Also a Question regarding rental property inspections as well.

Obviously a ton of primaries as well.

Don't forget to vote Tuesday!

Re: Politics

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:59 am
by loftguy
WSPanic wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:15 pm
Also a Question regarding rental property inspections as well.
Last week I read the language for the 'Healthy Homes' proposal.
It is not good.
Reads like a Clay Chastain initiative, big on hot buttons and frighteningly short on essential process.

Re: Politics

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:21 am
by AllThingsKC
Not a lot to predict in a primary election. Not sure how Prop A will turn out. The ballot wording itself favors a "YES" vote. But I have only seen "vote NO" signs. So it's probably a matter of who's more passionate to turn out. If that's the case, the results typically favor people who vote no or against something over people who would vote a "casual yes" or are undecided. So I suspect Prop A will fail. KC Question 1 probably passes.

Re: Politics

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:20 am
by brewcrew1000
https://www.quora.com/Does-Donald-Trump ... ted-States

If he is a con man then I don't understand why this kind of stuff wasn't used against him in 2016

Re: Politics

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:26 am
by loftguy
brewcrew1000 wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:20 am
https://www.quora.com/Does-Donald-Trump ... ted-States

If he is a con man then I don't understand why this kind of stuff wasn't used against him in 2016
He was repeatedly called out on his modus operendi, and he managed to slither through.
He is believed to be securing a patent on this set of moves.

The meaningful vetting of his viability and veracity should have come from the Republican party.
You can answer why that did not occur.

Re: Politics

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:17 pm
by FangKC
Anyone who has lived in New York City knew Trump was a con artist. It's his hometown, and only 14 percent of Manhattan voted for him, and that is where he lived. Only 19 percent of all of New York City voted for him, and that's his hometown.

Tells you a lot.

Re: Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:57 pm
by brewcrew1000
Is anyone skeptical on the whole Iowa Girl missing/murdered story?

They've had non stop coverage on her since she was abducted but I always thought it was odd because people go missing everyday, then it turns out the person who did it was an illegal, which fits the "build the wall" narrative. The left have done this as well with gun control. Doesn't this stuff make you stop and think something isn't right? I hate even thinking things like this might happen, but I can't help myself. I have a feeling they always knew who did it from the get go, they just wanted to time it at the exact moment to take away from other news and get people focused on this.

Re: Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:19 pm
by swid
The baseline level of public interest in young white women going missing is orders of magnitude higher than it is for anyone else, so there's that.

I'm curious how your both-sidesing comment holds in this instance - there's not all that much to say about mass murders/our embarrassingly high homicide rate other than "maaaaaaybe we should reconsider how we're applying that 'well-regulated milita' clause in the 2A". It isn't like The Left hivemind is scheduling gun deaths to occur when it's politically convenient.

Re: Politics

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:28 pm
by brewcrew1000
The formula is pretty simple: when a regular citizen does the Mass Murder at a school/public space the results are protesting and marches by the left and silence (Thoughts and Prayers) on the right. When its an illegal immigrant or Muslim committing a murder/mass killing then its secure the borders/end muslim immigration/don't allow them to enter our country by the right and silence (Thoughts and Prayers) by the left.

Re: Politics

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:49 am
by mykn
I think the problem is, when the right pushes illegal immigration/crime they are scapegoating because they know their base gets fired up at the thought of "bad brown people"

https://www.businessinsider.com/undocum ... ata-2018-8

Gun violence and mass shootings happen nearly every day though and are a result of our lax gun laws and our nation's infatuation with pushing toxic masculinity on their young men.

Re: Politics

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:27 am
by WSPanic
brewcrew1000 wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:28 pm
The formula is pretty simple: when a regular citizen does the Mass Murder at a school/public space the results are protesting and marches by the left and silence (Thoughts and Prayers) on the right. When its an illegal immigrant or Muslim committing a murder/mass killing then its secure the borders/end muslim immigration/don't allow them to enter our country by the right and silence (Thoughts and Prayers) by the left.
Seems to be a bit of a false equivalency - although I'm biased. I think you can draw a pretty straight line between guns and violence/homicide. While there is no direct correlation between illegal immigration and violence/homicide. At least statistically. Obviously there is a correlation in this case, but that's just cherry-picking IMO.

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:48 am
by brewcrew1000
If Beto loses does he have a chance to run as president in 2020? He seems like the best compromise between establishment democrats and Bernie democrats. I just don't see any other strong candidate by the left that can unite them. He seems to have enthusiasm nationwide even though he probably won't win in a month

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:29 pm
by FangKC
It's hard to run and win as president if you have lost your most recent political race. Beto will also no longer be a congressman if he loses the race for Senate, since he is vacating the seat to run for the Senate. Sure he could run, but he's be running against several people with a lot more name recognition.