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NDTeve wrote: the opposition has been suppressed.

NDTeve wrote: Didn't say I was proud. Just funny it got no mention on here. Agree there is no downside to lowering emissions. Except bankrupting our economy (further) to set standards based on evidence where the opposition has been suppressed.

DaveKCMO wrote: (yes, it's really just isolated to these energy-intensive places)

DaveKCMO wrote: you mean the "weather stations are incorrect" opposition? or the "we exhale CO2, how can it be bad" opposition? what exactly was suppressed here that completely undoes the global warming problem? there's so much data telling us about the problem. this flap is akin to claiming the holocaust didn't happen because some SS guards fudged the check-in at auschwitz.

bankrupting our economy is what wall street just did, all due to lack of oversight. so we're to stand back and let industry bankrupt the environment as well? just like your own body, you keep injecting things that don't belong and one day it will respond strongly enough to preserve itself. when the planet decides to do this, it will survive and we will not.

it's so tragic that some US, canadian, and australian conservatives (yes, it's really just isolated to these energy-intensive places) can't get behind this issue but instead continue trumpeting those who aren't actually climate scientists.

LenexatoKCMO wrote: Ha!  Paying lip service to save face and do the absolute least change for your own country doesn't really count as getting "behind the issue" - i.e China, India, Russia, and half the developing world. 

DaveKCMO wrote: there is no major culture of deniers in the political ranks of china, india, and russia...

DaveKCMO wrote: china has surpassed the US in wind power generation,

Such an "endangerment" decision is necessary for the EPA to move ahead early next year with new emission standards for cars. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson has said it could also mean large emitters such as power stations, cement kilns, crude-oil refineries and chemical plants would have to curb their greenhouse gas output.

The announcement would also give President Barack Obama and his climate envoy negotiating leverage at a global climate summit starting next week in Copenhagen, Denmark and increase pressure on Congress to pass a climate bill that would modify the price of polluting.

EPA?s final findings respond to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision that GHGs fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants. The findings do not in and of themselves impose any emission reduction requirements but rather allow EPA to finalize the GHG standards proposed earlier this year for new light-duty vehicles as part of the joint rulemaking with the Department of Transportation.

EPA?s endangerment finding covers emissions of six key greenhouse gases ? carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons and sulfur hexafluoride ? that have been the subject of scrutiny and intense analysis for decades by scientists in the United States and around the world.

DaveKCMO wrote: and here it is:

EPA: Greenhouse Gases Threaten Public Health and the Environment / Science overwhelmingly shows greenhouse gas concentrations at unprecedented levels due to human activity

Jeff wrote:You seem pleased. No concern for the additional lost jobs that will result from BO's latest attack on the free enterprise system?

Humanure: Goodbye, Toilets. Hello, Extreme Composting

For more than a decade, 57-year-old roofer and writer Joseph Jenkins has been advocating that we flush our toilets down the drain and put a bucket in the bathroom instead. When a bucket in one of his five bathrooms is full, he empties it in the compost pile in his backyard in rural Pennsylvania. Eventually he takes the resulting soil and spreads it over his vegetable garden as fertilizer.

"It's an alternative sanitation system," says Jenkins, "where there is no waste." His 255-page Humanure Handbook: A Guide to Composting Human Manure is in its third edition and has been translated into five languages, but it has only recently begun to catch on. His message? Human manure, when properly managed, is odorless. His audience? Ecologically committed city dwellers who are looking to do more for the earth than just sort their trash or ride a bike to work. (See reusable toilet wipes as one of the top 10 odd environmental ideas.)

"It's one of those life-changing books," says Erik Knutzen, 44, an eco-blogger in Los Angeles. "You read it, and the lightbulb just goes on." Now he eschews his porcelain potty for a big bucket with a toilet seat.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z0ZAMCF7Oa

KCMax wrote: Anyone done this here in KC? Any suggestions on native grasses or plants or ways we can convert our front yard without being too much of an eyesore?