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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby NDTeve » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:02 am

Didn't say I was proud. Just funny it got no mention on here. Agree there is no downside to lowering emissions. Except bankrupting our economy (further) to set standards based on evidence where the opposition has been suppressed.
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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby LenexatoKCMO » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:27 am

NDTeve wrote:the opposition has been suppressed.


No hyperbole here at all.  &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:59 am

NDTeve wrote:Didn't say I was proud. Just funny it got no mention on here. Agree there is no downside to lowering emissions. Except bankrupting our economy (further) to set standards based on evidence where the opposition has been suppressed.


you mean the "weather stations are incorrect" opposition? or the "we exhale CO2, how can it be bad" opposition? what exactly was suppressed here that completely undoes the global warming problem? there's so much data telling us about the problem. this flap is akin to claiming the holocaust didn't happen because some SS guards fudged the check-in at auschwitz.

bankrupting our economy is what wall street just did, all due to lack of oversight. so we're to stand back and let industry bankrupt the environment as well? just like your own body, you keep injecting things that don't belong and one day it will respond strongly enough to preserve itself. when the planet decides to do this, it will survive and we will not.

it's so tragic that some US, canadian, and australian conservatives (yes, it's really just isolated to these energy-intensive places) can't get behind this issue but instead continue trumpeting those who aren't actually climate scientists.

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby LenexatoKCMO » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:07 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:(yes, it's really just isolated to these energy-intensive places)


Ha!  Paying lip service to save face and do the absolute least change for your own country doesn't really count as getting "behind the issue" - i.e China, India, Russia, and half the developing world. 

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby NDTeve » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:33 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:you mean the "weather stations are incorrect" opposition? or the "we exhale CO2, how can it be bad" opposition? what exactly was suppressed here that completely undoes the global warming problem? there's so much data telling us about the problem. this flap is akin to claiming the holocaust didn't happen because some SS guards fudged the check-in at auschwitz.

bankrupting our economy is what wall street just did, all due to lack of oversight. so we're to stand back and let industry bankrupt the environment as well? just like your own body, you keep injecting things that don't belong and one day it will respond strongly enough to preserve itself. when the planet decides to do this, it will survive and we will not.

it's so tragic that some US, canadian, and australian conservatives (yes, it's really just isolated to these energy-intensive places) can't get behind this issue but instead continue trumpeting those who aren't actually climate scientists.


some SS guy is the same as the scientist who reports to the UN? Interesting take.
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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:18 pm

LenexatoKCMO wrote:Ha!  Paying lip service to save face and do the absolute least change for your own country doesn't really count as getting "behind the issue" - i.e China, India, Russia, and half the developing world. 


there is no major culture of deniers in the political ranks of china, india, and russia...

AND

china has surpassed the US in wind power generation, is building far more nuclear reactors, and has long had higher fuel economy standards. india just announced a massive solar strategy. okay, you got me on russia.

regardless, per capita energy use is far lower in all three than the US.

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby LenexatoKCMO » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:36 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:there is no major culture of deniers in the political ranks of china, india, and russia...


Sure they may not be denying that things are getting warmer - still doesn't mean that they accept that they have any responsibility to fix any of it. 

DaveKCMO wrote:china has surpassed the US in wind power generation,


Was that before or after the UN just pulled the plug on their (mostly US tax payer sourced) wind farm construction subsidies last week for major fraud?

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby DaveKCMO » Sun Dec 06, 2009 3:32 pm

EPA Poised to Declare CO2 a Public Danger

Such an "endangerment" decision is necessary for the EPA to move ahead early next year with new emission standards for cars. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson has said it could also mean large emitters such as power stations, cement kilns, crude-oil refineries and chemical plants would have to curb their greenhouse gas output.

The announcement would also give President Barack Obama and his climate envoy negotiating leverage at a global climate summit starting next week in Copenhagen, Denmark and increase pressure on Congress to pass a climate bill that would modify the price of polluting.


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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:00 pm

and here it is:

EPA: Greenhouse Gases Threaten Public Health and the Environment / Science overwhelmingly shows greenhouse gas concentrations at unprecedented levels due to human activity

EPA?s final findings respond to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court decision that GHGs fit within the Clean Air Act definition of air pollutants. The findings do not in and of themselves impose any emission reduction requirements but rather allow EPA to finalize the GHG standards proposed earlier this year for new light-duty vehicles as part of the joint rulemaking with the Department of Transportation.


EPA?s endangerment finding covers emissions of six key greenhouse gases ? carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons and sulfur hexafluoride ? that have been the subject of scrutiny and intense analysis for decades by scientists in the United States and around the world.

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby Jeff » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:31 pm



You seem pleased. No concern for the additional lost jobs that will result from BO's latest attack on the free enterprise system?

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:50 pm

Jeff wrote:You seem pleased. No concern for the additional lost jobs that will result from BO's latest attack on the free enterprise system?


i am pleased.

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby ComandanteCero » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:22 am

in this week's Time magazine:

Humanure: Goodbye, Toilets. Hello, Extreme Composting

For more than a decade, 57-year-old roofer and writer Joseph Jenkins has been advocating that we flush our toilets down the drain and put a bucket in the bathroom instead. When a bucket in one of his five bathrooms is full, he empties it in the compost pile in his backyard in rural Pennsylvania. Eventually he takes the resulting soil and spreads it over his vegetable garden as fertilizer.

"It's an alternative sanitation system," says Jenkins, "where there is no waste." His 255-page Humanure Handbook: A Guide to Composting Human Manure is in its third edition and has been translated into five languages, but it has only recently begun to catch on. His message? Human manure, when properly managed, is odorless. His audience? Ecologically committed city dwellers who are looking to do more for the earth than just sort their trash or ride a bike to work. (See reusable toilet wipes as one of the top 10 odd environmental ideas.)

"It's one of those life-changing books," says Erik Knutzen, 44, an eco-blogger in Los Angeles. "You read it, and the lightbulb just goes on." Now he eschews his porcelain potty for a big bucket with a toilet seat.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... z0ZAMCF7Oa
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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby DaveKCMO » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:59 pm

interesting. wastewater management is quite energy intensive. at a panel last week, one of the speakers mentioned that Water Services is one of KCP+L's top customers, and KCP+L is one of Water Services' top customers. that was a pretty eye-opening statement.

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby phna » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:12 pm

From the article above:

"Meanwhile, over in California, the Marin Composting Portable Odorless Outhouse Project, a.k.a. MCPOOP, is doing Klehm one better. The goal of MCPOOP (which is pronounced the Irish way as opposed to the rap-star way)"  :lol:


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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby KCMax » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:00 am

I was reading about how water-intensive normal suburban turf-grass is (not to mention all the fertilizer used no it) and how some homes in the southwest, where water is scarce, have converted to rocks or native grasslands.

Anyone done this here in KC? Any suggestions on native grasses or plants or ways we can convert our front yard without being too much of an eyesore? 
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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:49 pm

Here is something:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/228952

The London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine blamed obesity for global warming: Each fat person supposedly adds an extra ton of carbon dioxide every year because of respiration, and because of the carbon costs of raising and transporting the extra food he or she devours. Alarmingly, global warming took a sabbatical for another year: A report in the journal Science argued that warming is necessary to prevent a descent into a new Ice Age.
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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby heatherkay » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:02 am

KCMax wrote:Anyone done this here in KC? Any suggestions on native grasses or plants or ways we can convert our front yard without being too much of an eyesore? 


Check out the Wildflower Research Center in Austin, TX.  They have a pretty active program promoting buffalo grass.  If you have full sun, it doesn't need water, prefers dense soils over limestone, and only gets to about 6" long (no mowing)!

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Re: What can we do for Green. . .

Postby phna » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:10 am

[quote link=topic=11240.msg421012#msg421012 date=1263340160]
Here is something:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/228952

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