P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby moderne » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:14 pm

You can now look into the open windows of the Empire/Mainstreet and see where they have removed the floors to create a lofty space all the way up into the dome.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby FangKC » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:48 pm

I wonder if they will hang a disco ball.    :P

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby moderne » Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:05 pm

Don't need one, there is a humongous one 2 blocks east!

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby moderne » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:53 pm

The window frame for the arched window immediately under the dome is in.  They have even replicated the serpentine trim.  I think this 80 year old building will be the one structure in the P&L that will "wow" natives and visitors alike.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby PumpkinStalker » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:58 pm

Agreed, just seeing that trim made me feel a hair better about this side of P&L.  Got a pic to post when I get home.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby Gretz » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:10 pm

PumpkinStalker wrote:Agreed, just seeing that trim made me feel a hair better about this side of P&L. 

The wall to wall trim at the P&L has always been its main selling point, for me.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby 49r » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:13 pm

Gretz wrote:The wall to wall trim at the P&L has always been its main selling point, for me.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:04 am

the sidewalk along the the western and northern edges of this block are finally finished! you can now walk uninterrupted down both sides of 14th street!

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:28 am

On the P&L website, the map now has a corner of the theater carved out with a restaurant labeled "bistro 5" with a reference to the midlandkc website.
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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby moderne » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:33 pm

Huge signage going up on MainStreet.  Looks like a piece of the KCTV tower!

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby Midtownkid » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:19 pm

Pics?  Anyone still holding out hope for the 'jazz club' included in the original block proposal?
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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby staubio » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:44 pm

Midtownkid wrote:Pics?  Anyone still holding out hope for the 'jazz club' included in the original block proposal?


It isn't much to look at just yet. There is a large piece of steel support laying in the closed lane on Main waiting to be put up. Hard to tell exactly where they are going to but it.

There are also some small search/spotlights mounted around the dome.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby moderne » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:33 pm

The giant armature for the MAINSTREET sign is up.  It dwarfs the dome and looks like a good place to tie down the Hindenberg.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby ComandanteCero » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:42 pm

i haven't seen how it looks in its modern incarnation, but from the historic pictures this is one element i see little point in recreating.  It was an outscaled addition back in the day, and I don't see how it adds to the existing building.
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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby moderne » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:39 pm

I was walking down the east side of Main and noticed for the first time how very narrow the lot is on the south side of the Mainstreet theatre. I looked east over to Two Light and can tell that it is much wider than would fit on this lot. A conventional apartment unit/hallway/apartment unit would not work there unless it was somehow cantilevered over the theatre. Hotel rooms would be narrower but I still have doubts about them fitting the narrow space. Anyone have any input into my observation? The latest renderings show and "L" shaped building here.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby pash » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:32 pm

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby flyingember » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:42 pm

There's plenty of room.

The L area is approx. 60 x 132 feet from building edge to sidewalk edge
One Light is about 90 feet the short direction

10 foot wide hallway ending at the last two units with a shares well
if two units are 30x30 at the end that's 900 square feet
that leaves 25 foot deep units across the rest. Can do 6x 33x25 units (33 goes the long way of the building)
So for a 30 story tower that's 240 apartments in this part of the L

The average hotel room is 325 square feet
A king bed is 6.5 feet deep
With a 10 foot hallways can fit 8x 15x25 rooms or 10x 12.5x30 foot rooms per side of the hallway (25 goes the short way of the building) If the denser design, in a 30 story hotel that's 600 rooms.

The convention hotel is only 800 rooms so that's a huge amount of space available to work with.

If it was just this lot, take out two hotel rooms per floor for elevators and stairs, two more for each floor's lobby and the utility and maintenance space (1500 square feet per floor is plenty of shared space) and you have 8 rooms per side. That would be an 80 room hotel at 10 stories and would still be a notable and workable project downtown.

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby ldai_phs » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:22 pm

StrangerThings wrote:
flyingember wrote:There's plenty of room.

The L area is approx. 60 x 132 feet from building edge to sidewalk edge
One Light is about 90 feet the short direction

10 foot wide hallway ending at the last two units with a shares well
if two units are 30x30 at the end that's 900 square feet
that leaves 25 foot deep units across the rest. Can do 6x 33x25 units (33 goes the long way of the building)
So for a 30 story tower that's 240 apartments in this part of the L

The average hotel room is 325 square feet
A king bed is 6.5 feet deep
With a 10 foot hallways can fit 8x 15x25 rooms or 10x 12.5x30 foot rooms per side of the hallway (25 goes the short way of the building) If the denser design, in a 30 story hotel that's 600 rooms.

The convention hotel is only 800 rooms so that's a huge amount of space available to work with.

If it was just this lot, take out two hotel rooms per floor for elevators and stairs, two more for each floor's lobby and the utility and maintenance space (1500 square feet per floor is plenty of shared space) and you have 8 rooms per side. That would be an 80 room hotel at 10 stories and would still be a notable and workable project downtown.


Pretty much nailed it. If anyone remembers the tiny parking lot where One Light went up, it was hard to imagine starring at two rows of parked cars and envisioning what could fit in that space.


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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby flyingember » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:13 pm

I made one math error. A ten story hotel on that site could have 160 rooms, not 80. Oops

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Re: P&L District: 14th & Baltimore site proposal

Postby FangKC » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:48 am

The other solution is to run the corridor for each floor up along the north side of the wing (against the theater), and just have rooms on south side of the corridor.


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